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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 1485268" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p>Believe me, I've pattern tested my TSS buckshot loads. Without the benefit of the pattern they're no better than a Brenneke slug. At the yardages I'll kill a bear threatening my life and well being, I'll take a 10" - 14" pattern of death over a 3/4" diameter slug any day, any time. I can be off 1/2 to 3/4 the width of the TSS pattern with my point of aim and still kill the threat. You may choose to wait until 5yds. Not me. I'd consider that a first mistake. A bear that's still coming toward me and closing 20yds, is a dead bear. And depending on the perceived aggression/threat, I'll draw a line in the sand out to 25 -30yds. My mindset has changed over the past 40yrs on the distance (point of no return) with brown/grizzly bears. I give myself every benefit of the doubt. They get none. I value my life 1000% more than I value a threatening bear's life. There's plenty more of them. Only one of me.</p><p></p><p>I've read your thoughts and position on shotguns and slugs. I disagree on the semi-auto also. My brother's been an Alaskan gunsmith for 35yrs. As a general rule, semi-autos are much more prone to failures to feed than a pump action shotgun, based on his repair records. His repair records over 35yrs of repairs captures a lot more experience than your individual experience, and all your buddy's experiences combined. While I appreciate your experience and consequent opinions, they don't change mine. TSS buckshot will be every bit as lethal as Brenneke slugs at the closest of ranges also. 1 3/4oz of TSS buckshot at 5yds with a 3-4" pattern, even on a body shot, will put a bear down as effectively as your 1 1/4oz slug. The reason TSS buckshot is the better option is because of the improved odds of placing a lethal hit into the bear's brain, when my life depends on it. That's what I consider stacking the deck in my favor.</p><p></p><p>Wisdom is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you've not had my experiences with bears. Pretty sure you've never shot TSS shot of any size before because you make no mention of it. Brenneke slugs are terrific bear stoppers at close range, so they aren't a bad choice. Now that TSS buckshot is available, Brennekes are no longer the best choice in shotgun ammo for my life or death defense on bears.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 1485268, member: 4191"] Believe me, I've pattern tested my TSS buckshot loads. Without the benefit of the pattern they're no better than a Brenneke slug. At the yardages I'll kill a bear threatening my life and well being, I'll take a 10" - 14" pattern of death over a 3/4" diameter slug any day, any time. I can be off 1/2 to 3/4 the width of the TSS pattern with my point of aim and still kill the threat. You may choose to wait until 5yds. Not me. I'd consider that a first mistake. A bear that's still coming toward me and closing 20yds, is a dead bear. And depending on the perceived aggression/threat, I'll draw a line in the sand out to 25 -30yds. My mindset has changed over the past 40yrs on the distance (point of no return) with brown/grizzly bears. I give myself every benefit of the doubt. They get none. I value my life 1000% more than I value a threatening bear's life. There's plenty more of them. Only one of me. I've read your thoughts and position on shotguns and slugs. I disagree on the semi-auto also. My brother's been an Alaskan gunsmith for 35yrs. As a general rule, semi-autos are much more prone to failures to feed than a pump action shotgun, based on his repair records. His repair records over 35yrs of repairs captures a lot more experience than your individual experience, and all your buddy's experiences combined. While I appreciate your experience and consequent opinions, they don't change mine. TSS buckshot will be every bit as lethal as Brenneke slugs at the closest of ranges also. 1 3/4oz of TSS buckshot at 5yds with a 3-4" pattern, even on a body shot, will put a bear down as effectively as your 1 1/4oz slug. The reason TSS buckshot is the better option is because of the improved odds of placing a lethal hit into the bear's brain, when my life depends on it. That's what I consider stacking the deck in my favor. Wisdom is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you've not had my experiences with bears. Pretty sure you've never shot TSS shot of any size before because you make no mention of it. Brenneke slugs are terrific bear stoppers at close range, so they aren't a bad choice. Now that TSS buckshot is available, Brennekes are no longer the best choice in shotgun ammo for my life or death defense on bears. [/QUOTE]
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