You know this may help one of our members, he has missed over 5 deer this year, all under 150 yards. No, that is not long range hunting, but . . . He does well at the range, but is a terror in the woods. Some of you are making this too hard about finding a target big enough, have you seen the boxes these giant Tv's come in, you can pick them up from your local box store. I don't use a full deer silhouette, I'm not looking at the whole deer, I am looking for one hair on his shoulder. I am shooting that.