And now they go after pistol braces

[BigDon]

The main thing that bothers me about this is the change and ambitious nature of the wording.
In the days of tennis balls and cane tips- the rule was if you shouldered your pistol, then it was an sbr-- so this would be very easy to figure out, shoulder it- bad, not shoulder it- ok. Pretty cut and dry

But with this new "rule interpretation" you no longer even have to shoot your pistol for it to be considered an sbr
It is no longer cut and dry, its up to interpretation. If the caliber/cartridge is too lage then its not a pistol, if the optics are not designed for pistols then it's not a pistol, if the "lop" is too long its not a pistol, if its too heavy its not a pistol.
Yet you see they don't actually give you any numbers for lop, weight, cartridge-- its all subjective .

After they get away with this, I expect they will carry it further-- if it has a handguard or forend then it won't be a pistol, then maybe "all bottleneck cartridges" won't be allowed as pistols, then what-- its a slippery slope
One of your options is to et the "free tax stamp" and register it, I'm guessing that any ar style chassis firearm will be "re-classified" as nfa items and need to be registered in the future
But you see that what happens with pistol braces could just be generated to pistol classification, which could even roll over to breach or bolt action pistols that fire "rifle cartridges" in the future.

 

[jasonco]

1. Don't self incriminate.
2. Stop snitching.
3. Stop sending letters to ATF for an opinion that's covered by the 2A.
4. Shall not be infringed.
5. This isn't even law.

 

[cohunt]

Existing bottleneck pistol cartridges in actual pistols would stop them from expanding the definition to include all bottlenecks. Think 22 cm, 357 sig, 5.7fn et el.

They got away with taking a plastic bolt on butt stock and "re-defining" it as a machine gun. I wouldn't put anything past them.
What about the tc encore, xp-100, & lone eagle

 

[BigDon]

Then there is the issue with "Pistol" marked lowers. As I understand it, lowers so marked have had the extra pistol excise tax paid by the manufacturer of record. If you put a 'buttstock' on it, it became a Class III SBR. If you put a brace on it, it's still a pistol. It looks like the real grey area is a non-pistol-marked Lower (usually marked 'Caliber Multi' that hasn't had the added excise tax paid. ATF opened this can of worms themselves when they said a brace on any lower was a 'Pistol'.

 

[Andrew Massi]

They got away with taking a plastic bolt on butt stock and "re-defining" it as a machine gun. I wouldn't put anything past them.
What about the tc encore, xp-100, & lone eagle

Do they have a buttstock that you can shoulder and fire as a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16"?

 

[Treeslug]

Don't pay attn to the news much. Must be a lot of criminal activity with pistol braces going on? Did the BLM and ANTIFA rioters use a lot of pistol braces and that is what finally got the ATF fired up?

If BLM and ANTIFA used pistol braces the ATF would have been ordered to turn a blind eye.

 

[Treeslug]

Existing bottleneck pistol cartridges in actual pistols would stop them from expanding the definition to include all bottlenecks. Think 22 cm, 357 sig, 5.7fn et el.

Nothing will stop them from expanding. They will only expand more and more until we have nothing legal left for them to expand to.

 

[Andrew Massi]

Nothing will stop them from expanding. They will only expand more and more until we have nothing legal left for them to expand to.

They haven't really expanded since 1968 and that was an update of 1934. These agents are only enforcing laws
Would this be an issue if when the first pistol brace showed up they killed it under the guise you had just created a sbr?

 

[Treeslug]

They haven't really expanded since 1968 and that was an update of 1934. These agents are only enforcing laws
Would this be an issue if when the first pistol brace showed up they killed it under the guise you had just created a sbr?

The times, they are a-changin'. It is not the agents that make the rules. It is the politics of the day that make the rules, and today's politics are heading straight down the slippery slope of complete gun control. Or did I just wake up in a bad mood?

 

[cajun]

Just the beginning. They will do the same with AR's. Read Bidens gun plan. Scary

 

[Andrew Massi]

With a 6-3 court?
Doubtful

 

[sea2summit]

They haven't really expanded since 1968 and that was an update of 1934. These agents are only enforcing laws
Would this be an issue if when the first pistol brace showed up they killed it under the guise you had just created a sbr?

Ummm, 1983? Bump stocks? Assault weapons ban? 922.r? etc.

Don't be a fudd.

 

[sea2summit]

With a 6-3 court?
Doubtful

They already showed their colors. It's not a 6-3 court.

 

[cajun]

You can book they are going after them. Lets hope they dont get the senate. It will take a while for it to wind through the courts and you never know. Roberts has been a big disappointment.