Alaska Moose Hunt Berger 210vld

You seem to be completely anti Hammer no matter what.
I am not anti hammer bullets, I am anti hammer supporters...they are so annoying. This is no different than being annoyed by the 6.5 creedmoor supporters or berger supporters or any other supporters. In typical hammer supporter fashion you come and promote a hammer bullet for grizzly defense when this entire post was about bergers being able to kill a moose.

I am sure hammer bullets are great for what they are...they have the same design as cutting edge bullets that both shed their weight on impact. You just get higher BCs with cutting edge. If you want a tough bullet with good weight retention there are other proven options - partitions and Aframes come to mind. If you want a bullet kills quickly and cleanly, its tough to beat a berger.
 
I am anti supporter "THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER FOR EVERYTHING". The flying trash can bullets have this crowd. Bergers have this crowd. 6.5 CM have this crowd.
 
I have only hunted once in Alaska, A caribou hunt in 1999. We saw more grizzlies than you could shake a stick at in the 7 days we were there hunting. Interestingly enough we were told by the flying service we used that we wouldn't see any bears where we were hunting and they recommended we leave our handguns at home. We saw 17 total, not a handgun in sight. Lesson Learned. Now some of those could have been the same bear on multiple occasions but never the less 17 sightings. To get to my story. I had killed two nice caribou, using 140 Grain Remington Core-Lokt bullets in a 7mm STW, so I had the pilot of the flying service bring in my 12 gauge so I could do a little Ptarmigan hunting which I did. This brought me to my first up close grizzly encounter, very special for me as I was hoping to at least see a grizzly while I was in Alaska, just not at 50 yards with a 12 gauge and birdshot in my hand. I got out of there post haste without incident. I'll Jump to the end to try and keep it short. My friends dad shot a caribou roughly 400 yards from camp roughly 45 minutes after I had the first up close encounter. While we were getting the caribou cleaned up and packed up for transport back to camp, the grizzly I had encountered earlier while hunting birds, came running in. The dinner bell had been rung. I had three guys with me with high powered rifles and I had a twelve gauge with #6 shot so I figure no worries, right. I jump up grab my shotgun and ask the guys, "can you believe this sh&t" no answer. I turn and look and the three of them are running the other direction as fast as there little feet can carry them. You know the old adage, you don't have to outrun the bear. Pretty clear here. The bear was running in from about 100 yards or so at a trot, I figured I was going to have an up front seat to a extremely close encounter or worse. I leveled the 12 gauge several feet over his head and fired off three rounds, he immediately spun and ran away. Was I lucky, your **** right I was. I only had two shells left and I am pretty sure unless I got the barrel in his mouth the six shot wasn't going to do much. There is much more to this story and I love telling it but the point I am trying to make is out of 17 encounters and 4 caribou taken we only had the one instance where the bear was a problem. In every other encounter the bears ran like the dickens when they saw us. We have grizzlies in Montana and more an more encounters happen each year. I doubt very seriously that the majority of guys hunting in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho, throw in the western Provinces of Canada as well, hunt with "made for Grizzly encounter bullets, just in case. At least no one I know does. We either cay an handgun or bear spray. Use the bullets that you have confidence in and shoot well, take the time to make a clean and ethical kill shot, keep your hunting buddy close to watch your back and carry bear spray. You will have a great time. Just my opinion. :)
 
I have only hunted once in Alaska, A caribou hunt in 1999. We saw more grizzlies than you could shake a stick at in the 7 days we were there hunting. Interestingly enough we were told by the flying service we used that we wouldn't see any bears where we were hunting and they recommended we leave our handguns at home. We saw 17 total, not a handgun in sight. Lesson Learned. Now some of those could have been the same bear on multiple occasions but never the less 17 sightings. To get to my story. I had killed two nice caribou, using 140 Grain Remington Core-Lokt bullets in a 7mm STW, so I had the pilot of the flying service bring in my 12 gauge so I could do a little Ptarmigan hunting which I did. This brought me to my first up close grizzly encounter, very special for me as I was hoping to at least see a grizzly while I was in Alaska, just not at 50 yards with a 12 gauge and birdshot in my hand. I got out of there post haste without incident. I'll Jump to the end to try and keep it short. My friends dad shot a caribou roughly 400 yards from camp roughly 45 minutes after I had the first up close encounter. While we were getting the caribou cleaned up and packed up for transport back to camp, the grizzly I had encountered earlier while hunting birds, came running in. The dinner bell had been rung. I had three guys with me with high powered rifles and I had a twelve gauge with #6 shot so I figure no worries, right. I jump up grab my shotgun and ask the guys, "can you believe this sh&t" no answer. I turn and look and the three of them are running the other direction as fast as there little feet can carry them. You know the old adage, you don't have to outrun the bear. Pretty clear here. The bear was running in from about 100 yards or so at a trot, I figured I was going to have an up front seat to a extremely close encounter or worse. I leveled the 12 gauge several feet over his head and fired off three rounds, he immediately spun and ran away. Was I lucky, your **** right I was. I only had two shells left and I am pretty sure unless I got the barrel in his mouth the six shot wasn't going to do much. There is much more to this story and I love telling it but the point I am trying to make is out of 17 encounters and 4 caribou taken we only had the one instance where the bear was a problem. In every other encounter the bears ran like the dickens when they saw us. We have grizzlies in Montana and more an more encounters happen each year. I doubt very seriously that the majority of guys hunting in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho, throw in the western Provinces of Canada as well, hunt with "made for Grizzly encounter bullets, just in case. At least no one I know does. We either cay an handgun or bear spray. Use the bullets that you have confidence in and shoot well, take the time to make a clean and *Rule 1 Violation*al kill shot, keep your hunting buddy close to watch your back and carry bear spray. You will have a great time. Just my opinion. :)
Well said Allen.
 
Mr Predator Slayer & Mr Allen Kits.....ThankYou for sharing your input & intel in regards to my original question as well as the topic of the numerous Berger guys getting killed by charging predators every year......I Love It
Why did you even start this thread if your mind was already made up??
Did you just want guys to parrot what you already believe about Berger's..
 
I may be out to lunch here but hammer bullets do not fragment. The front part or hollow point loses its petals but the base remains in one piece. Now if I am wrong some one correct me. To add to this the hammer will oetain more of its original wieght then a Nosler Partition which can lose 50% of their weight. I have never used or heard how A Frames hold up I have only heard that they are tough.
Elksurgeon if this is a once in a life time trip I would test out several types of bullets. If it were me I would lean toward a bonded or mono style bullet. It sounds like you have some time so look and see what you can find. Who knows you may find one that performs better than the Bergers. As was mentioned you want to feel you can trust the bullet you take with you.
 
Dang it - I shouldnt have hit the "show ignored content" button. Ignorance is bliss when is comes to westernhuntr and rich coyles comments. Last time I do that...the OP specifically asks guys like them not to respond and they can't help themselves🤣

Western was complaining about being picked on, so instead of picking apart his BS I ignored him. That ignore button is priceless on this forum. They just need to get rid of that "show ignored content" button. I can only stare at it for so long before curiosity gets the best of me...smh. The guy has one post and it is always the same - claiming berger and elds are not good hunting bullets and blow up on animals at 700 yards. He must be employed by one of these mono bullet companies...lol!
 
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Dang it - I shouldnt have hit the "show ignored content" button. Ignorance is bliss when is comes to westernhuntr and rich coyles comments. Last time I do that...the OP specifically asks guys like them not to respond and they can't help themselves🤣

Western was complaining about being picked on, so instead of picking apart his BS I ignored him. That ignore button is priceless on this forum. They just need to get rid of that "show ignored content" button. I can only stare at it for so long before curiosity gets the best of me...smh. The guy has one post and it is always the same - claiming berger and elds are not good hunting bullets and blow up on animals at 700 yards. He must be employed by one of these mono bullet companies...lol!

The original poster said nothing about making ignorant claims about Hammer bullets and yet you chose to do so. You just can't help yourself.
 
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