Accuracy Vs Speed...decisions!

[adam32]

Literally the same thing can be said about velocity

Not true or else there wouldn't be minimum velocities for bullets to open and be effective.

 

[adam32]

A slower but more accurate load will allow you to place your shot more accurately this will have a much greater effect on the lethality than your misplaced quicker load, IMO
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If you think an animal can tell the difference between a 1/4" then you're pretty amazing.

The first shot is all that matters. After that the gun can group 1 moa and your chances of follow up shot will be the same as the 1/4 moa load.

The OP is only talking 500 yards people!

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Good point!^^^^

 

[D in lv]

Great bench accuracy. Field conditions vary as do preferences. What is the point and shoot range, that is to say, no range finder, I can make this shot at this distance with only a small or no correction. That should be around 300yds with that kind of velocity. Any decent rest should do. Wy wind a "minor" problem. Some ability to estimate distance based on dimensions of game in scope picture to identify 400 yard range and a simple aim point, top of dot , or something, lots of options. Wind is now officially a problem. To this range speed helps allot. Past this range more long range tactics apply and accuracy trumps speed.

 

[Canhunter35]

Not true or else there wouldn't be minimum velocities for bullets to open and be effective.

Yep, but not between 3060 and 3200 unless you're shooting to where the slower node drops below 2000fps.
Long range loads should be tested at long range imo
Arguing about which load is better at this point is pointless

 

[FEENIX]

View attachment 132923 View attachment 132924 View attachment 132925 I think it does better on a cold barrel. I have repeated my non-lead load multiple times right out of the gate. The one that has a little vertical (white target) was shot off a clean barrel. So I will try the faster off a cold barrel and we'll see what happens.

I don't like to assume anything but at what range and velocity are these groups shot at? If these were at 100 or 200 yards? Shoot them at your range goal of 500 yards and see what happens. When I do my load development, I find the best compromise between accuracy and velocity that "I" can live with and test cold bore accuracy preferably at max intended range, purpose, and bullet design ... but that's just me.

 

[WildBillG]

Adam 32 if velocity is more important then accuracy we only need to check our rifles for pressure. ayour saying a chrono and a sand bag for a 1 shot fast bullet is our goal. As Fenix stated above he should now test these loads at his max range. I hope he shoots more then one shot of each load to do this. Maybe what you wanted to say is that a faster load should shoot flatter.

 

[adam32]

Adam 32 if velocity is more important then accuracy we only need to check our rifles for pressure. ayour saying a chrono and a sand bag for a 1 shot fast bullet is our goal. As Fenix stated above he should now test these loads at his max range. I hope he shoots more then one shot of each load to do this. Maybe what you wanted to say is that a faster load should shoot flatter.

Except both are exceptional accuracy, so yes I'll take the faster one all day everyday.

You guys need to get out and hunt more if you're worried about two sub half moa groups and one not being accurate enough.

 

[Ross1147]

Adam, this is why I'm torn so far with this load! This is a strictly hunting gun and what does 1/4" really matter? It's all about getting energy to the target. I shoot 115 grn Bergers in my old 25-06 and those lay the smack down on deer and they're only moving at 3000 FPS and that gun is 1 MOA at best.

 

[wonderman4]

My choice would be simple......shoot the load with the lowest SD.

 

[Deleted member 107796]

Does anyone really truly believe any animal in the world will be able to tell the difference in accuracy? NOPE! So why in the hell would you choose a slightly smaller group but much slower load? If you wanna run Gaymoor velocities then cool, go get one of those...but that extra 150+ fps will be noticeable on downrange terminal performance.

IMO, it's not the animal that would tell the difference, it's the performance of the load under dynamic hunting scenarios that would. The mechanical equivalent would be tolerance stackup. Why add error when you don't have to?
"much slower load?" Not in my opinion.

 

[adam32]

Adam, this is why I'm torn so far with this load! This is a strictly hunting gun and what does 1/4" really matter? It's all about getting energy to the target. I shoot 115 grn Bergers in my old 25-06 and those lay the smack down on deer and they're only moving at 3000 FPS and that gun is 1 MOA at best.

Run em out to 500 yards and if they both stay half moa or even moa then go stack up the deer with it.

 

[Litrfoot]

100 is a good starting point to find the load to test. Shoot it at 500, 800, and 1K. Then evaluate.

 

[PApa Black]

Accuracy trumps speed in my opinion, but I like making little holes. And, 3060 fps is not slow.

I agree 100% !