A Million Dollar Opportunity!! Carbon Rings

[cohunt]

Why does the "carbon ring" seem to be more of an issue now than 30 years ago?

New smokeless powders causing more carbon?
Old traditional way of cleaning with a bronze brush and hopes#9 vs newer patch/jag only cleaning?
Something else?
Hotter hand loads than in the past?
Newer " magnum/hot rod" cartridge designs?
Steaper case shoulder design angles?
Use of bore scopes?
New Internet lore/misinformation?

Can't say people didn't shoot as much back then, I know plenty of guys that had thousands of rounds through their rifles.

 

[Muddyboots]

Why does the "carbon ring" seem to be more of an issue now than 30 years ago?

The only "carbon ring" I saw back in the day was guys trying to be cool with cigarette smoke blowing rings.

However, I do think a lot of the newer powders are contributing, plus factory rifle LR offerings, the casual shooter back then was maybe box/year. Now Joe Schmo can buy a ready to go factory out of box LR rifle, use their smart phone with ballistic app which is another self gratification plus dial up optics. Factory match ammo is now pretty darn good and plugs into ballistic apps nicely. More shooting with new high energy powders from whole new batch of reloaders that learned from YT, have disposable income to buy best of best reloading equipment and components.

Shooting LR years ago was really by guys who built their own since zero factory available and reloaded with non temp stable powders. How on earth did they even hit 100 yd target?

Add in social media look at me self gratification and voila! We now have carbon rings.

 

[Pilsner]

By the thread title-- I thought you had designed ultralight carbon fiber scope rings-- that's a "carbon ring million dollar opportunity"

Same.

 

[2buffalo]

New Internet lore/misinformation?

 

[Window]

Same.

My apologies and it wasn't meant as a bait click. It was out of pure frustration from spending all weekend getting them out of two rifles. However, I'm thankful for all the great ideas and methods that were shared and I'll definitely give them a shot as I'm never too proud to learn.

 

[ripnbst]

a rifle that is shot alot can have issues with carbon rings, hunting rifle will never have this issue, unless hunting prarie dogs

Even a hunting rifle will have issues with this if its a large bore magnum. The newer higher capacity cases & chamber designs tend to be more sensitive to carbon rings because of the tighter tolerances in modern chamber designs.

 

[leo williams]

PATCH OUT/ CARB OUT. ALSO A WEAPON STEAM CLEANER WORKS UNBELIEVABLE RESULTS.

 

[Buckys]

Why does the "carbon ring" seem to be more of an issue now than 30 years ago?

New smokeless powders causing more carbon?
Old traditional way of cleaning with a bronze brush and hopes#9 vs newer patch/jag only cleaning?
Something else?
Hotter hand loads than in the past?
Newer " magnum/hot rod" cartridge designs?
Steaper case shoulder design angles?
Use of bore scopes?
New Internet lore/misinformation?

Can't say people didn't shoot as much back then, I know plenty of guys that had thousands of rounds through their rifles.

Cheap borescope technology?

 

[Buckys]

PATCH OUT/ CARB OUT. ALSO A WEAPON STEAM CLEANER WORKS UNBELIEVABLE RESULTS.

I like patch out/carb out and the other products from sharp shoot r.
I'd like to know more about the steam cleaner experience.
Personally, I started using qmaxx products as the last pass after the sharp shoot r treatments.
I have been happier with the results of patch out/carb out/accelerator + qmaxx then boretech, etc. which were fine products but better results with what I'm using now.

 

[Teri Anne]

The only "carbon ring" I saw back in the day was guys trying to be cool with cigarette smoke blowing rings.

However, I do think a lot of the newer powders are contributing, plus factory rifle LR offerings, the casual shooter back then was maybe box/year. Now Joe Schmo can buy a ready to go factory out of box LR rifle, use their smart phone with ballistic app which is another self gratification plus dial up optics. Factory match ammo is now pretty darn good and plugs into ballistic apps nicely. More shooting with new high energy powders from whole new batch of reloaders that learned from YT, have disposable income to buy best of best reloading equipment and components.

Shooting LR years ago was really by guys who built their own since zero factory available and reloaded with non temp stable powders. How on earth did they even hit 100 yd target?

Add in social media look at me self gratification and voila! We now have carbon rings.

One thing that I noted was that in the Army we never had carbon ring issues using issue ammo. Back then, and even now rifles that are cleaned on a regular basis (Ours were cleaned daily or if shooting a lot even more often than that) During that time I was shooting M-14, M-16 competitively sometimes up to 200 rounds a day. The 1000 yard gun was a Winchester Model 70 target in 300 H&H Magnum. Same thing, shoot it and clean it. We used sighters as fouling shots, and all seemed to work well. These days I still clean what most of you consider too much but don't have carbon ring issues either.

 

[Tommy T]

I've spent all weekend getting carbon rings out of two rifles that had less than 50 rounds ran through them since the last carbon ring removal. One has 460 rounds through it and the other has 290. Can someone/anyone come up with a simple way to make this easy? I know that there are many of you who are 10X smarter than I am although I've been at this for over thirty years. I've gone through hundreds of patch of Bore Tech, used Iosso, CLR and finally made progress with Flitz. There has to be a better way! Here's the a before and after of the one with 460 rounds total and less than 50 rounds since its last carbon ring removal. Please note that it's 30-378 that's never been pushed hard. Any good advice from the great mins out there?

What I do is ever time I clean my rifles I have a 24" cleaning rod that I made with a handle that I put on the end of it and I will take and spin it around and around about 30 times with J B bore polish or theroflush polish and that works for me good luck

 

[Beluebow]

Carbon rings are real......if you never clean your rifle you will probably never have an issue until you do. If you never shoot your rifle more than 10 times a year you will probably never have an issue. If you shoot RL16 or RL23 long enough you will have a carbon ring..guaranteed.