7mmSTW vs 7mm remington ultra mag

[GLTaylor]

Right at 3700 fps. One ragged hole.

 

[Northkill]

Right at 3700 fps. One ragged hole.

Nice. That'll do the job

 

[WapitiBob]

How often do you have to use this?

I'm using 5x fired nosler stw brass and have used that collet sizer exactly one time and I used it because it cost me $100, not because I needed it. The belt on a 7stw is a non issue once you throw the factory sizing die instructions away.

 

[Bghunter338]

I'm using 5x fired nosler stw brass and have used that collet sizer exactly one time and I used it because it cost me $100, not because I needed it. The belt on a 7stw is a non issue once you throw the factory sizing die instructions away.

Thank you for your input, that helps me a lot.

 

[WapitiBob]

I'm loading 140 TSX/TTSX with 81.5 RL-25 and set the shoulder back .002 with a competition sizer. When I first started I set my regular sizer per instructions and it set the shoulder back about .015 as a result. Brass would split after 2nd sizing.

 

[ButterBean]

I'm loading 140 TSX/TTSX with 81.5 RL-25 and set the shoulder back .002 with a competition sizer. When I first started I set my regular sizer per instructions and it set the shoulder back about .015 as a result. Brass would split after 2nd sizing.

The old tried and true combo

 

[yobuck]

I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying...I am agreeing that all else equal, higher MV is better. But the advantages of higher MV will not make up a lack of accuracy, nor will it give you an appreciable increase in wind estimation error. So in the debate at hand, if I had a 7STW and a 7RUM, both with fast twists, I would pick the most accurate - an accurate 7STW will trump the 7RUM when it comes to wind.

As for shooting PDs, I much prefer the .223; if I know I am going to take long shots, I use my fast twist .220 Swift that shoots 80 gr Amax bullets that have half the wind drift of a 55 gr 22-250 bullet.

Well it seems we do agree on the advantage velocity has. lol
As you know i was simply comparing with the 55 gr bullet comparison.
I like a 223 also, but I actually use a 22/250 AI and 69 gr bullets far more, and a 6x284 with 105s.
As for accuracy, it goes without saying that accuracy is paramount regardless of cartridge.
Now as for wind, being familiar with the shooting location can for sure have advantages. No need to elaborate on that.
Otherwise the type of terrain will have major affects and could produce multible situations to deal with for a shot.
A hunter will often encounter those types of situations, especially on the longer shots in steep mountainous terrain.
As for experts, there really arent any except those who claim to be on sites like this.
Again, the best information is visual information, and the best way to obtain that is a sighter shot.
And if you want to use a first round miss as a sighter shot, thats ok with me.

 

[Rugerjim]

Are these really much faster than a 7WSM, 7practical or 7-300prc etc? I own none of the above but am curious for a 7 build

 

[FEENIX]

Are these really much faster than a 7WSM, 7practical or 7-300prc etc? I own none of the above but am curious for a 7 build

Search for the case capacities, and you will answer your own question.

 

[LRNut]

Well it seems we do agree on the advantage velocity has. lol
As you know i was simply comparing with the 55 gr bullet comparison.
I like a 223 also, but I actually use a 22/250 AI and 69 gr bullets far more, and a 6x284 with 105s.
As for accuracy, it goes without saying that accuracy is paramount regardless of cartridge.
Now as for wind, being familiar with the shooting location can for sure have advantages. No need to elaborate on that.
Otherwise the type of terrain will have major affects and could produce multible situations to deal with for a shot.
A hunter will often encounter those types of situations, especially on the longer shots in steep mountainous terrain.
As for experts, there really arent any except those who claim to be on sites like this.
Again, the best information is visual information, and the best way to obtain that is a sighter shot.
And if you want to use a first round miss as a sighter shot, thats ok with me.

Yobuck:

I TOTALLY agree with this comment:

"Now as for wind, being familiar with the shooting location can for sure have advantages."

You say "no need to elaborate" but I think many shooters delude themselves because they shoot at the same place every time they shoot LR. If you only shoot over flat land, you will not gain experience shooting across canyons or deep valleys, where the wind will be moving much faster than either side. You won't see the effects of a wind from behind when shooting up steep hill causing your bullets to hit very slightly higher. I could go on and on, but there is no substitute for shooting LR at a variety of different locations.

Your comment on a sighter shot is intriguing. I have often thought about that, especially if there is a nearby rock. I know deer at my CO pay almost no attention to my shooting, but they just might be used to it and not representative of what other deer/elk etc would do if a bullet was launched near them but not at them.

 

[yobuck]

Yobuck:

I TOTALLY agree with this comment:

"Now as for wind, being familiar with the shooting location can for sure have advantages."

You say "no need to elaborate" but I think many shooters delude themselves because they shoot at the same place every time they shoot LR. If you only shoot over flat land, you will not gain experience shooting across canyons or deep valleys, where the wind will be moving much faster than either side. You won't see the effects of a wind from behind when shooting up steep hill causing your bullets to hit very slightly higher. I could go on and on, but there is no substitute for shooting LR at a variety of different locations.

Your comment on a sighter shot is intriguing. I have often thought about that, especially if there is a nearby rock. I know deer at my CO pay almost no attention to my shooting, but they just might be used to it and not representative of what other deer/elk etc would do if a bullet was launched near them but not at them.

Well were among friends here, so anything that can help is worth sharing.
Fact is that a white tail deer and other animals as well will as a rule not run off when a shot is fired. Unless of coarse they have been hit or even touched by the bullet.
Now the fact also is that state game laws might not permit what is called ( random shooting ), so use your head regarding that. There are no laws however against first round misses.
Regardless, the key to successful long range hunting is the optics we use to both find the animals, and for a spotter to be using for watching for hits by the shooter.
A miss of 6' or more can be a second round hit by an experienced crew with good optics and the knowledge of how to use a scope dial.
FFP, SFP, yada yada reticle, it makes no difference at all, learn to use the dial.

 

[jellyjam]

I've only shot the 7RUM just curious if anyone has an unbiased assessment of both calibers

I own both calibers the rum is nice but better find a load quick I mean in under a 100 Rounds barrel will be shot out by 500 now I shoot 2 different 7wsm built on long actions and long 29"to30" barrels to shoot 175 to 197 gr bullets both are sweet

 

[carlbobh]

Really like both of these calibers. Looking forward to building the 7mm Texan, a project that JE Custom was working on before he passed.

This would be the 7 RUM plus some extra .. AI style with JE enhancements.

When the testing begins I'll run this beside the STW and RUM for comparisons

 

[Bghunter338]

Really like both of these calibers. Looking forward to building the 7mm Texan, a project that JE Custom was working on before he passed.

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This would be the 7 RUM plus some extra .. AI style with JE enhancements.

When the testing begins I'll run this beside the STW and RUM for comparisons

The Texan? Can you pm me information on this? Thank you.