6mm Creedmoor first elk hunt

[WA Coyote]

Actually…. It can be quite objective.

Here's a list of thousands of moose shot in Scandinavia, the cartridge they were shot with, the average number of shots, and the average distance traveled after the first shot.

Seems like well hit moose tend to die rather quickly, regardless of cartridge/caliber…. but this is also in a place where you have to pass a shooting test to get a moose tag. Maybe there IS something to that whole "shot placement" thing?

Cartridge Animals # of Shots Moose Travel*
6.5x55 2,792 1.57 43
7mm Rem. 107 1.32 40
.308 WCF 1,314 1.67 41
.30-06 2,829 1.57 47
.300 Win. 27 1.83 16
8x57 575 1.53 57
.338 Win. 83 1.20 31
.358 Norma 219 1.16 19
9.3x57 134 1.50 41
9.3x62 449 1.50 34
.375 H&H 211 1.33 31

 

[Fenix Outdoors]

Actually, it's very objective. Take 1000 big game hits with each caliber and you start to see a pattern. A 243 ain't killin like a 338.

To pretend otherwise is … well, pretending.

Internet testimony is the definition of subjective.
Testimony By those who pulled it off. Very few guys will say "Yeah I wounded three elk with a 6.5 manbun. I think I'll try something different now."

Use what you like, just don't pretend they are all equal.

Specifics, good, because your previous statement was a vague generalization.
Specifics: at a 1000 yards, I use a bullet in which it's terminal ballistics are optimized at 1000 - 1200 yards.

 

[Fenix Outdoors]

Actually, it's very objective. Take 1000 big game hits with each caliber and you start to see a pattern. A 243 ain't killin like a 338.

To pretend otherwise is … well, pretending.

Internet testimony is the definition of subjective.
Testimony By those who pulled it off. Very few guys will say "Yeah I wounded three elk with a 6.5 manbun. I think I'll try something different now."

Use what you like, just don't pretend they are all equal.

All that preaches good, but I'd brush up on the deltas between subjective and objective for their proper use.

 

[clark33]

Actually, it's very objective. Take 1000 big game hits with each caliber and you start to see a pattern. A 243 ain't killin like a 338.

To pretend otherwise is … well, pretending.

Internet testimony is the definition of subjective.
Testimony By those who pulled it off. Very few guys will say "Yeah I wounded three elk with a 6.5 manbun. I think I'll try something different now."

Can you site your sources on the 1000 animal sample? Or is that just internet testimony?

 

[ripnbst]

I second 3800fps. 7RM, make sure you have a load worked up otherwise you will be caught without knowingthe rifle. I would never say you can't kill an elk with a 6CM but it leaves no room for error. I want to be able to take quartering shots at extended ranges. I go 7mm or 30 cal with bonded or monometal. Preferably 7 SAUM or 7 SS, or 30 Nosler.

Care to explain why 30 Nosler and not 300PRC?

 

[WA Coyote]

Clark wasn't talking to me….

 

[clark33]

Clark…

John Barnsness published an article in one of the Wolfe Magazines (Rifle, Handloader, or Hunter) probably 20 years ago referencing this data. I believe the study was done over several seasons in Sweden and included about 7800 moose harvested during that time.

I pulled that graph from a post from a different forum. In that discussion on the other forum, John goes into greater explanation on how Wolfe obtained the study, and how it compares to his personal experience.

WA coyote did research…

 

[clark33]

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[WA Coyote]

Ok I guess you just wanted to be heard? Or still gonna leave my name up there with your research project?

Fixed it….

 

[1wildcatfan]

7 mag all day long.

 

[quandary]

There's a whole thread on rokslide. People are shooting literally everything with a 223. Grizzly, moose, walrus.
Here's a video with a 22arc on a moose. Pretty much par for the course with a non-CNS hit on a moose.

Video: Moose Hunting With the 22 ARC

The author wanted to field test the big-game capabilities of the 22 ARC, so he took it moose hunting in Alaska. Here's how it performed.

www.outdoorlife.com

There is no disputing if you shoot a 22ARC broadside through the lungs it will just about anything Moose included. I like Freel's gun articles and his podcast. He has no preconceived conclusions and he does not push agendas. But lets look at his moose kill. First shot broadside through both lungs, that Moose was dead right there just didn't know yet. But awesome the second shot was the first shot. That moose is gone and will likely live to fight another day. Freel rights we didn't find anything in the moose from the second shot.... well that because that little bullet vaporized itself before hit could hit anything that would kill it. You just made a bad decision. That is the short coming of the small caliber craze.

If a hunter is disciplined enough to take appropriate shots, great. The problem is most hunters aren't, they will be overcome by "this is my only chance yadda, yadda, yadda" and they will take shots they shouldn't. Further more they will read all the posting etc about how easy it is to shoot and how accurate and it will be another excuse for them not practicing enough to be any good at shooting. Which is already a big problem. The small caliber craze only exacerbates the problem.

 

[clark33]

There is no disputing if you shoot a 22ARC broadside through the lungs it will just about anything Moose included. I like Freel's gun articles and his podcast. He has no preconceived conclusions and he does not push agendas. But lets look at his moose kill. First shot broadside through both lungs, that Moose was dead right there just didn't know yet. But awesome the second shot was the first shot. That moose is gone and will likely live to fight another day. Freel rights we didn't find anything in the moose from the second shot.... well that because that little bullet vaporized itself before hit could hit anything that would kill it. You just made a bad decision. That is the short coming of the small caliber craze.

If a hunter is disciplined enough to take appropriate shots, great. The problem is most hunters aren't, they will be overcome by "this is my only chance yadda, yadda, yadda" and they will take shots they shouldn't. Further more they will read all the posting etc about how easy it is to shoot and how accurate and it will be another excuse for them not practicing enough to be any good at shooting. Which is already a big problem. The small caliber craze only exacerbates the problem.

You really think people will practice more with a magnum than a smaller cartridge? I'm not following your logic there. Larger calibers don't make bad shots good ones.

And let's say they don't practice with either, how does the magnum help them?

 

[WA Coyote]

Larger calibers don't make bad shots good ones.

Truth….

 

[7mm man]

Care to explain why 30 Nosler and not 300PRC?

Because I have one. LOL. No other real reason. I was just mentioning cartridges I have real world experience with. I am sure the 300PRC is great on big game.