6mm Creedmoor first elk hunt

[memtb]

Don't need to, smaller caliber, less recoiling rifles kill big game very well. Also, many people have debilitating shoulder injuries, like the ex-Army ranger I hunt with, and can't shoot a magnum anymore...and 100% agrees with me.................that golf is a pointless game.

Others have developed a horrible flinch from shooting heavy-recoiling magnum rifles "cuz that's what daddy and grand-daddy said to use" and what they mistakenly learned on. Flinching is not a matter of if, but when. Everyone will develop one eventually, amplify that hard-recoiling rifle with "buck fever" and a less-than perfect positional shooting and your hit percentage plummets. That's been proven, not speculation.

90% of the time, pro shooter Jon Pynch shoots nothing more than a 6.5 caliber, and will only shoot over .30 when forced to because he knows the consequences of shooting heavy-recoiling rifles - he'll quickly develop a flinch that he has to work out.

When my comment pertaining to recoil, I've made exceptions…….shoulder injuries or perhaps a eye issue such as a Detached Cornea.


Assuming no physical disabilities…..most anyone should be able to handle the felt recoil of most common magnums in hunting situations.

My wife doesn't enjoy bench work, or Prairie Dog shooting sessions with her sub 9 lb. .338 WM……but is pretty darn deadly on game. And has no issues going prone with it if needed!


There are better cartridges for extended shooting sessions than magnums beyond, let's say for example, .264 WM and up.

I believe that any injury/issue free adult can easily manage most popular, modest weight magnums……if they want to! memtb

 

[WA Coyote]

Dunning-Kruger Effect

Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability!

 

[Fenix Outdoors]

Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability!

Exactly

 

[memtb]

Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability!

Wow, are you're observant…….there's a lot of this happening here! memtb

 

[Fenix Outdoors]

When my comment pertaining to recoil, I've made exceptions…….shoulder injuries or perhaps a eye issue such as a Detached Cornea.


Assuming no physical disabilities…..most anyone should be able to handle the felt recoil of most common magnums in hunting situations.

My wife doesn't enjoy bench work, or Prairie Dog shooting sessions with her sub 9 lb. .338 WM……but is pretty darn deadly on game. And has no issues going prone with it if needed!


There are better cartridges for extended shooting sessions than magnums beyond, let's say for example, .264 WM and up.

I believe that any injury/issue free adult can easily manage most popular, modest weight magnums……if they want to! memtb

Yes, if they want to, and not, if they don't, is that not ok?
Man I'm with you, I LOVE shooting my two 300 and 338 Norma Mag Improved rifles Dallas Lane built me, and I shoot them really well, just not quite as well under hunting conditions with added stressors to the shot, like on my knees over a backpack or tripod uphill in wind at distance.

 

[memtb]

Man I'm with you, I LOVE shooting my two 300 and 338 Norma Mag Improved rifles Dallas Lane built me, and I shoot them really well, just not quite as well under hunting conditions with added stressors to the shot, like on my knees over a backpack or tripod uphill in wind at distance.

Perhaps we can agree that……we won't agree on everything!

I guess that we both must make what we perceive as the best decisions based upon our personal beliefs! memtb

 

[Fenix Outdoors]

Perhaps we can agree that……we won't agree on everything!

I guess that we both must make what we perceive as the best decisions based upon our personal beliefs! memtb

Yes sir, and we're all supposed to be 100% ok with that. Methods of killing big game is serious business but completely ambiguous. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, or argue pointless ethics, only that I've personally gone hard down this road that the OP questioned and have learned a ton in this rare opportunity to experience hunting and culling animals at a high level, and I wanted to share what I've learned and help dispel old and new mindsets.

 

[Doghunter23]

Here is a 247 lb 3.5 year old whitetail I killed this year in N Michigan with an 77 grain Sierra TMK at 75 yards. He stayed on his feet for 3 seconds, fell and never moved again. Fragmenting bullets work fine
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Nice buck! I got an old 8point with a much smaller rack this year with the 75 gn ELDM out of a 223 traveling 2832FPS impact about 23 yards. Very similar results as you. Destroyed the top of the heart lived about 3 seconds.

 

[Buffalobwana]

Use an appropriate caliber for big game animals. Anything less starts bordering on a stunt and it's unfair to the animal.

Just because you can, or you have, doesn't mean you should.

 

[dogz]

When my comment pertaining to recoil, I've made exceptions…….shoulder injuries or perhaps a eye issue such as a Detached Cornea.


Assuming no physical disabilities…..most anyone should be able to handle the felt recoil of most common magnums in hunting situations.

My wife doesn't enjoy bench work, or Prairie Dog shooting sessions with her sub 9 lb. .338 WM……but is pretty darn deadly on game. And has no issues going prone with it if needed!


There are better cartridges for extended shooting sessions than magnums beyond, let's say for example, .264 WM and up.

I believe that any injury/issue free adult can easily manage most popular, modest weight magnums……if they want to! memtb

Assuming no physical disabilities…..most anyone should be able to handle the felt recoil of most common magnums in hunting situations.

Just a swag here but I'm guessing your meaning that while they're shooting at game the recoil won't bother them?

 

[Fenix Outdoors]

Use an appropriate caliber for big game animals. Anything less starts bordering on a stunt and it's unfair to the animal.

Just because you can, or you have, doesn't mean you should.

Your use of appropriate is subjective, not objective which has been proven with testimony backed up by evidence. Unfair? We're using supersonic centerfire weapons, it doesn't get any more unfair. If you can and have successfully, then you should and not alter.

 

[clark33]

Take the 6

 

[clark33]

My response has nothing to do with owning or killing an Elk with a 6 Creed, It has everything to do with the ELDM bullet that was recommended. The ELDM is a target bullet and it is built with a thinner copper jacket. ELDX bullet is built for hunting game. I learned this the hard way some 30 years ago when I shot a 3 point buck that came running pass me and the first shot was at 25 yards with a 7 mag. It kept running towards me and I shot it again at 15 yards, and was going to shoot it again but didn't because I seen and knew that I had hit it 2 times. I trailed the buck up hill for another 1/2 mile and picked up pieces of bone as I followed it and then it quit bleeding and I lose the buck. I could believe that I didn't kill it and asked a couple of friend how it was possible and the older and wise man told me that the type of bullet I was using wasn't made for the high velocity that I was shooting at that close range and he told me to use (swift scirocco bullet).
Sorry that I hurt your feelings.

I have killed many animals with the 108 and 147 eldm. Ranges from 70yds to 630yds. They work very very well.

 

[Buffalobwana]

Your use of appropriate is subjective, not objective which has been proven with testimony backed up by evidence. Unfair? We're using supersonic centerfire weapons, it doesn't get any more unfair. If you can and have successfully, then you should and not alter.

Actually, it's very objective. Take 1000 big game hits with each caliber and you start to see a pattern. A 243 ain't killin like a 338.

To pretend otherwise is … well, pretending.

Internet testimony is the definition of subjective.
Testimony By those who pulled it off. Very few guys will say "Yeah I wounded three elk with a 6.5 manbun. I think I'll try something different now."

Use what you like, just don't pretend they are all equal.