dougduey
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It's a factory Christensen Arms Rifle. Not sure if it's long or short action, but I assume you could find that info on their website
6.5 long action hunting rifle opinions
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It's a factory Christensen Arms Rifle. Not sure if it's long or short action, but I assume you could find that info on their website
WildRose
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Knowing Jeff and his guns I'd be willing to bet it's the quality of the weapon and pure luck.
It's a great little carttridge but there's noththing that makes it inherently more accurate than any other.
WildRose
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Of course they did, they did it for pure profit. They have put Winchester and Remington down to 2nd Rate manufacturers with a brillitant marketing and development strategy.
Nothing about thier cartridges makes them any better than many already preexising rounds on the market bit Nosler went the custom/rifle/ammo combo, while Hornady went for the mass market and partnered with Ruger to have the rifles ready to hit the shelves at the same time as the new ammo.
Ahead of time, Hornady put rifles in the hands of top comtetitors on the circut who could make an instant impact months before the prducts hit the market creating a ready made high demand for them.
It was brillian strategy all the way around on the part of all three.
It was inside industry takeover that hit the big two so hard and fast they never saw it coming and for a very long time to come the Big three will now be Nosler, Hornady and Ruger while Winchester and Remington may permanently be stuck as second tier rifle and low end ammo manufacturers far into the future or until Remimgton finally implodes from their own stupidity and **** poor qualty control that has plagued them for the last two decades.
None of these cartidges does anthing that wasn't already being done by numerous others, these guys just killed the market for the Big Two with a handful of brilliant moves.
They never saw it coming because they were setting on their asses. Capitalism is the mother of invention, you just saw it in action.
WildRose
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Hornady could invent the gold bar, sell it to Remington at a loss, and Remington would still go bankrupt trying to sell it because they are too lazy and stupid to market it.
Hornday would then get rich dong the same thing with snow naming it as "Pretty White Magic: water because Ruger would do all of the marketing and prmotions creating a demand at their cost and have cheap accurate ways to shoot it on the shelves creating a demand before it hit the market.
I find it funny that Browning and Winchester are both owned by FN yet Browning is pumping out new models in new calibers every year while Winchester finally got around to adding the 6.5 Creedmoor and one with a threaded barrel to their Model 70 line up years after everyone else had.
louis f
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I see a lot of people talking about 6.5/06 Ackley. I have two 6.5/06 A Square rifles one is a Cooper 52 And the other is a custom gun. They both shoot right at 3100 fps with 129-130 grain bullets. The accuracy is .300 or better if I do my part. Could probably push them faster but in my opinion accuracy trumps speed.
Capt RB
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All hornady did was steal David Tubbs 6xc case shape. Ruger stole his T2K rifle and fucked up the firing system. The work was done and the market was begging for it. Remington has been courting the gov't not the public for profit margin.
The thing about what Hornady and Ruger has done is made what the customers want in a neat go to the store package. Today people think that they can go to the store and buy the same thing they see someone on youtube do. No need to learn how just buy it. 75% of the people I teach think they can shoot like John Wick in couple weeks. 1 in 10 will actually go to the range once a week and the others will watch youtube for tips with no actual range time. Thise are the ones you want to take their money from before someone else does.
To keep saying we don't need all this innovation is foolish. You'd still be shooting something at least 60 years old if that was the case. Straighter cases and sharper shoulders are proven to be better designs. The fact that throating and twist rates have come into the 21st century is a boon for what we enjoy. Please stop with the get off my lawn mentality. It will be these innovations that promote the current crop of kids into our sport.
WildRose
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You need to clean up or delete that post as it violates the most basic rules of this forum.
Please resect our host.
To the first paragraph, that's exactl what I said, it was briliant marketing strategy on their part but it hasnt' created a magical 6.5 that can outperform existing 6.5's on the market.
To maximize the case diameter and utility of the cartridge it still needs to be built on a long action, preferably a magunum length action.
It's added nothing to the market.
As to the last it's laughable. I write frequently about all of the advances in optics, firearms, ammo, powder, and bullets that have come along in the last few decades which more than anything else have breathed life into cartridges that have been around for as long as a century such as the tried and true 8mm Mauser and 30-06.
I do shoot a lot of rounds from cartridges like the .300wm so yes, you did get one thing right. At the same time my favorites are still babies such as the 7mm STW and .300 Rum.
If you're going to criticize others here it's best you do your homework less you look far less like a fool and an angry little man hiding behind an annonymous login from the comfort and safety of your bederoom posting drivel on the internet to feel better about who he is.
WildRose
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The ignorance of giants.
Remington and Winchester have spent most of the last 4 decades hiding behind a reputation built in the century before and marketing rifles and calibers youg kids around the country have an emotional attachment to because that's what dad and grampa shot.
The problem with that is since 9-11 the new shooters coming of age got their first introduction to firearms mostly through the US military, not dad, and not grampa and were convinced by their drill Sargeants that the 5.56 and 7.62 NATO round s are the deadliest ordnance ever inveted.
The explosion of those two rounds on the market begain back in the Vietnam era but millions and millions have served since 9-11 and continue to producing veterans who of course have a bias and love for those and the AR platforms no other generation has had.
Even my own generation was raised by veterans who had a love of the .308 and .223, those men were the Vietnam generation but birth rates have been cut by half or more since 1968 and the baby boomers are dying off.
Ruger, Nosler, and Hornady were smart enough to see all of these changes and what they meant for the market while Winchester and Remington ignored them at least for the most part. Remington's tactical line was a poor attempt at best and with their horrible QC and poor warranty work all of the bad rifles and pistols they put out in the hands of the public have been strangling them at a pretty rapid rate accelerating their overall implosion which has been creeping along for decades.
KyCarl
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I have been watching this thread and I really can't find a reason to replace my
6.5 X 284? There is so much overlap that I can't justify buying a new rifle to gain 100FPS. As it is right now the 6.5 X 284 far exceeds my ability?
6.5 X 284? There is so much overlap that I can't justify buying a new rifle to gain 100FPS. As it is right now the 6.5 X 284 far exceeds my ability?
WildRose
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None of the game animals we shoot can tell the difference between a 6.4 Grendyl and a 26 nosler when they are hit.
As I've said many times before the minimal gains in the new rounds, or whatever upgrades we make to our guns beyond basic accurization make a difference that exceeds what our equipment is capable of in our hands.
The one gain is in shooter confidence which is one of those ingangibles that obviously has a great effect.
When shooters are confident their hit rate goes up dramatically but you're not going to have greatere confidence in something new vs what you have proven to be dealy with in your hands for years, decades or generations.
Mario's kids will grow up shooting .260's and 7mm STW's and the occasional .338L.
Just imagine what it will be like for someone on the net or a salesman in a store to ever talk them into anything else?
It's mostly the guys not happy with or confident in what they have had that will be jumping from new round to new round looking for some magic. By the time they find one they won't even realize that all that really changed is how much time behind guns putting downrange and that's what is making shooters of them, not new toys.
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340 Weatherby; How is that rifle shooting. Can you share all the details of the build, accuracy and velocity please.
Thanks Jim
Not much reason at all given some of the high performance powders available. No pressure signs at all with this load.
