6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?

[Msjwolfe]

I love these threads it always comes down to a giant caliber debate that NO one wins because everyone has the answer to what you should hunt with!

I do have a Creedmoor and I like the gun that being said I also have a 30-378 wby that is awesome to.

Nothing replaces shot placement and bullet performance, equally important is ethics and choosing your shots wisely.

As for losing elk we can speculate till the end of time but unless you where there to see the shot and the impact, there is no telling what happened!

 

[the hunter]

So from what I've read on this thread so far...a .300 winny, Wby and RUM are all too small for deer?

20mm anti-tank will only git you to about 500yds after that you need a 40mm mark 8.

 

[Capt RB]

Lost 4 animals in a row. Boy you'd think the superslam guy would have the skills to find a wounded animal.

 

[scdogman]

The difference between the creedmore and the more powerful 6.5 is 150 yards to 200 yards. Run the numbers for minimum speed and energy you will allow and compare.

It's too much info available for people to research. After the bullet leaves the gun, the gun has nothing to do with it. What bullet type, muzzle velocity, and diameter did the hunters believe were acceptable?

A ballistics app is a valuable tool.

 

[J E Custom]

You are correct in your thoughts. They lost those bulls because they believed the media hype about the 6.5CM. They watched the idiots on YouTube and on the hunting shows that through the magic of editing, seem to never miss, and never make a bad shot. They heard all the bullsh!t stories about how it has mystical powers and, and how the military is adopting it, and how it's "just as good as the .300 WinMag" (that's not a joke, I've actually heard someone say that) .

Hope they learned their lessons, and don't fall for the same BS hype with the 6.5 PRC and .300 PRC.

+1
Couldn't have said it better my self.

Failure is normally the cartridge choice for the game hunted, or the shooters ability to place the shot correctly "or" turn down the shot if conditions are not right.

I don't own a 6.5 Creedmoor because I don't need one. but they are very good cartridges in the right hands that know it's limitations.

J E CUSTOM

 

[Canhunter35]

So from what I've read on this thread so far...a .300 winny, Wby and RUM are all too small for deer?

Maybe that it's the bullet choice not the cartridge choice that's affecting terminal performance

 

[KaSH0508]

4 lost Elk with a Creedmoor. I guarantee that more Elk have been lost by .270/7mm/308/30.06/.300 Win Mag. Guess they aren't the holy grail either? This thread is another Creed bashing thread. Why else make the title 6.5 creed holy grail?

 

[KyCarl]

Well in this case the boys in Frankfort were spot on!
It is ILLEGAL to hunt Elk in Kentucky with a 6.5 Creedmoor!
The law clearly states .270 or larger Bullet Dia!
If I get a chance I'm not fooling around I'm taking my 300WM!

 

[scdogman]

+1
Couldn't have said it better my self.

Failure is normally the cartridge choice for the game hunted, or the shooters ability to place the shot correctly "or" turn down the shot if conditions are not right.

I don't own a 6.5 Creedmoor because I don't need one. but they are very good cartridges in the right hands that know it's limitations.

J E CUSTOM

The limitation of the creedmore is about 150 to yards compared to the most powerful 6.5s.

 

[hunter67wa]

Well I have killed a lot of elk ( someone will ask over 30 ) in the Cascades and Rockies with a bow and rifles and pistols and have been in on a lot more with friends shooting them. Hit properly with a good bullet you won't have to look far. Hit poorly with any caliber and you will look far if you push them and cannot get another one in them. I shot a cow one time with a 375 H&H in the guts as she was running by and I might as well just walked up and kicked her in the *** cause she runoft. I was younger then and ran also till I got another one in her and put her down with a good hit. My friend laughed and said maybe I should get a bigger rifle. I told him maybe I should just shoot better with what I have.

A man has to know his limits and his gears limits.

 

[Deleted member 103481]

So to clarify your slam friend has 4 different friends that each lost a Bull this year hit well with a 6.5CM?

Or your friend has personally lost 4 bulls with a creedmoor?

 

[backyardsniper]

Just ask yourself; would I be comfortable hunting elk with a 243 or a 7mm-08 because that is basically all a creedmore is as far as terminal ballistics is concerned. Can you kill an elk with one? Sure you can. Mountain men used to get it done with a 30-30 but do you want to, not me. Why handicap yourself unless that's the challenge. To kill an elk with a small caliber just to say you did it. I'm a fan of the big boomers myself and while I've only killed 2 elk, there hasn't been a tracking job on either of them. Hydrostatic shock combined with massive internal hemorrhaging is in my opinion the most effective method of dispatch

 

[jpope02]

I know I am going to get a bunch of flack for posting this, but....

In a recent conversation with a friend of mine, who has a grand slam of sheep on his bedroom wall, and a super slam of the rest of the game animals in North America less a barren ground caribou, I was told during a conversation about accurate smaller caliber rounds that he has four friends, who this year each lost mature elk bulls each with a 140 grain bullet reasonable well placed from a 6.5 Creedmor.
This cartridge, to me, seems to have the ability in many of its proponents minds to be the holy grail of all cartridge designs. It is sad when common sense is put back in the gun locker when any of us take to the woods with a weapon that doesn't really fill the bill for the game we hunt, when we know we have the horsepower in the locker to do the job properly.
Elmer Keith who we all know loved the .270 Winchester. But his favorite for hunting and guiding for elk is reported to be the .375 H&H. He also loved the .338 Win Mag.
Dead is Dead, but wounded is usually also dead but with a heavy dose of suffering to go with it.
I own a .338 Win Mag and have made it a point to be able to shoot it comfortably. I also own 2 25-06's and 3 .243's. I use the latter to plink, for my grandchildren to shoot deer, and for just a fun day on the range. When the hunt is on for me and as a back up it is 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm Exact or .338 Win Mag. Common sense to see that Dead is Dead when I pull the trigger on something worth shooting.

I know I am going to get a bunch of flack for posting this, but....

In a recent conversation with a friend of mine, who has a grand slam of sheep on his bedroom wall, and a super slam of the rest of the game animals in North America less a barren ground caribou, I was told during a conversation about accurate smaller caliber rounds that he has four friends, who this year each lost mature elk bulls each with a 140 grain bullet reasonable well placed from a 6.5 Creedmor.
This cartridge, to me, seems to have the ability in many of its proponents minds to be the holy grail of all cartridge designs. It is sad when common sense is put back in the gun locker when any of us take to the woods with a weapon that doesn't really fill the bill for the game we hunt, when we know we have the horsepower in the locker to do the job properly.
Elmer Keith who we all know loved the .270 Winchester. But his favorite for hunting and guiding for elk is reported to be the .375 H&H. He also loved the .338 Win Mag.
Dead is Dead, but wounded is usually also dead but with a heavy dose of suffering to go with it.
I own a .338 Win Mag and have made it a point to be able to shoot it comfortably. I also own 2 25-06's and 3 .243's. I use the latter to plink, for my grandchildren to shoot deer, and for just a fun day on the range. When the hunt is on for me and as a back up it is 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm Exact or .338 Win Mag. Common sense to see that Dead is Dead when I pull the trigger on something worth s

 

[Deleted member 103481]

Just ask yourself; would I be comfortable hunting elk with a 243 or a 7mm-08 because that is basically all a creedmore is as far as terminal ballistics is concerned. Can you kill an elk with one? Sure you can. Mountain men used to get it done with a 30-30 but do you want to, not me. Why handicap yourself unless that's the challenge. To kill an elk with a small caliber just to say you did it. I'm a fan of the big boomers myself and while I've only killed 2 elk, there hasn't been a tracking job on either of them. Hydrostatic shock combined with massive internal hemorrhaging is in my opinion the most effective method of dispatch

Pretty sure Randy Newberg touts 7mm-08 very highly for elk under 3-400 ish.

This conversation can go anywhere from Fieldcraft to poor cartridge choice/decision making depending on the ranges they were shooting