300 RUM or 7mm with 180 bergers at 3000 fps

[pyroducksx3]

So here is the conundrum I'm having. I am almost completely sold on building a 300 RUM but Im having some resevations. My hunting situations are this... Mostly deer hunting at ranges from 100 yards out to 800+ maybe further, the terrian allows for farther but who knows how long it will take me to be proficient out this far. I am starting to elk hunt now and will be hunting the same terrian as there are both deer and elk in the areas I hunt so distances the same. Throw black bear in there as well as I saw some of those this year as well. My rifle build will have a sendero or slightly lighter contour. Im feeling strongly about having a 26" barrel + muzzlebreak (painkiller or DE not sure yet) so whatever that finishes at. My main concern is that hopefully most of my shots will be inside 300-600 yards and I was concerned about the 300 RUM using 210 or 230 bergers would cause massive meat loss. Is this a valid concern or will there not be much difference between these 30 cal 210/230 vs the 180 7mm? Im expecting to get 2850 fps with the 230 and around 3000 fps using the 210 out of the 300 RUM, hopefully that sounds right. I got my first longrange kill (well to me) in this area this year at 352 yards and Im hooked on getting out further if the situation calls for it. So the main question I need input on is will this 300 RUM cause measurably more meat loss compared to an equal shot with the 7mm 180? and really concerend when those shots are in the 100-400 yard range. Thank you

 

[WildRose]

So here is the conundrum I'm having. I am almost completely sold on building a 300 RUM but Im having some resevations. My hunting situations are this... Mostly deer hunting at ranges from 100 yards out to 800+ maybe further, the terrian allows for farther but who knows how long it will take me to be proficient out this far. I am starting to elk hunt now and will be hunting the same terrian as there are both deer and elk in the areas I hunt so distances the same. Throw black bear in there as well as I saw some of those this year as well. My rifle build will have a sendero or slightly lighter contour. Im feeling strongly about having a 26" barrel + muzzlebreak (painkiller or DE not sure yet) so whatever that finishes at. My main concern is that hopefully most of my shots will be inside 300-600 yards and I was concerned about the 300 RUM using 210 or 230 bergers would cause massive meat loss. Is this a valid concern or will there not be much difference between these 30 cal 210/230 vs the 180 7mm? Im expecting to get 2850 fps with the 230 and around 3000 fps using the 210 out of the 300 RUM, hopefully that sounds right. I got my first longrange kill (well to me) in this area this year at 352 yards and Im hooked on getting out further if the situation calls for it. So the main question I need input on is will this 300 RUM cause measurably more meat loss compared to an equal shot with the 7mm 180? and really concerend when those shots are in the 100-400 yard range. Thank you

The heavier slower bullet is going to give you less meat loss not more.

The lighter and faster bullets (comparing the same make bullet in different weights) is going to give you more expansion and greater hyperstatic effect than the faster/heavier bullet.

In my .300 Rum I'm going to shoot the 180gr Scirocco's at around 3,300fps at everything from deer sized game up.

I might try some of the 165's though for a long range varmint load since I'm not hunting for pelts but shooting predators for control purposes.

 

[WildRose]

As for the 7mm I see no reason at all to shoot 180's in one at anything smaller than Elk.

I love the performance of the 140's and 150's in both the 7mm Mag and 7MM STW

 

[pyroducksx3]

As for the 7mm I see no reason at all to shoot 180's in one at anything smaller than Elk.

I love the performance of the 140's and 150's in both the 7mm Mag and 7MM STW

I agree with this but elk are in the equation and I only want one bullet to worry about zero and drop charts. I am shooting a 168 berger now out of my 7 mag , which will be the donor action, but Im a little concerned that they aren't enough for the elk out past 650 or so. I'll be hunting deer every year for the high hunt and if not succesfull the regular season and elk hopefully every year but certainly every other year. So I'll actually get less meat damage using the 300 RUM 210/230 than a 7 RM/STW pushing the 180 bergers. Thats potentially good news. P.S. I found the sciracco bullets bearing surface to be wildely inconsistant from box to box using the 150 7mm just fyi

 

[bearpaw]

meat loss is going to be directly related to shot placement regardless.

 

[WildRose]

I agree with this but elk are in the equation and I only want one bullet to worry about zero and drop charts. I am shooting a 168 berger now out of my 7 mag will be the donor action but Im a little concerned that they aren't enough for the elk out past 650 or so. I'll be hunting deer every year for the high hunt and if not succesfull the regular season and elk hopefully every year but certainly every other year. So I'll actually get less meat damage using the 300 RUM 210/230 than a 7 RM/STW pushing the 180 bergers. Thats potentially good news

I wouldn't hesitate at all with the 180's from the 300 Rum or 150's from the 7mm STW even on elk.

An Elk is no where near to being as densely bodied as a big hog and they don't have the cartilage sheild in the shoulder/chest that a big boar does.

I've killed literally dozens of boars over 500lbs with 140gr Nosler Ballistic tips and Hornady interlock and interbond with both the 7mag and 7STW.

The one big hog I've shot so far with the 300 Rum and the 180gr Scirocco was a straight through and through through both shoulders and it had a nice exit not much bigger than a quarter. He was somewhere between 700-800lbs.

 

[WildRose]

meat loss is going to be directly related to shot placement regardless.

True to an extent. However with the same impact point the amount of damage is going to be directly related to velocity and bullet type.

Higher velocity= more expansion, greater hyperstatic shock, and bigger exit hole.

 

[pyroducksx3]

I wouldn't hesitate at all with the 180's from the 300 Rum or 150's from the 7mm STW even on elk.

An Elk is no where near to being as densely bodied as a big hog and they don't have the cartilage sheild in the shoulder/chest that a big boar does.

I've killed literally dozens of boars over 500lbs with 140gr Nosler Ballistic tips and Hornady interlock and interbond with both the 7mag and 7STW.

The one big hog I've shot so far with the 300 Rum and the 180gr Scirocco was a straight through and through through both shoulders and it had a nice exit not much bigger than a quarter. He was somewhere between 700-800lbs.

I believe its in the nosler reloading manual 5, in the authors story 3 hogs happen to line up and he gets all three with one shot from his 300 RUM

 

[pyroducksx3]

True to an extent. However with the same impact point the amount of damage is going to be directly related to velocity and bullet type.

Higher velocity= more expansion, greater hyperstatic shock, and bigger exit hole.

Yes this what I'm asking about if the bullets hit the same spot what will the comparision be. So keeping the factors the same how will the bullets compare. Thank you for your replies

 

[WildRose]

Yes this what I'm asking about if the bullets hit the same spot what will the comparision be. So keeping the factors the same how will the bullets compare. Thank you for your replies

Like I said originally. With the same make bullet, bigger and slower will damage less than smaller and faster.

A lot of it comes down to your bullet selection as well.

If you are using the match type hollow points like the Bergers or Amaxes you are going to blow a big hole out the back side.

If you use something like the Scirocco, Interbond, or Interlock you are going to get less damage at the same velocity.

 

[WildRose]

I believe its in the nosler reloading manual 5, in the authors story 3 hogs happen to line up and he gets all three with one shot from his 300 RUM

He's not shooting big hogs then... .

 

[bearpaw]

I think it depends more on the manufacturer of the bullet, Barnes have always done it neat and clean for me, lethal bullet that doesn't look like you drove a kenworth through the animal. only experience I have with bergers is a big 300gn bullet, so far its far from neat and clean, quite the opposite, exit holes you could almost stick your head in, literally. Not sure you have to shoot the bergers out to the ranges you are wanting, but Broz has alot of experience with the bergers in 30cal, might be worth PMing him. 300 rum is a fabulously versatile round far as I'm concerned.

 

[pyroducksx3]

He's not shooting big hogs then... .

I dont have my book with me but I believe he stated they were medium to small hogs and the distance wasnt extreme...

 

[pyroducksx3]

I think it depends more on the manufacturer of the bullet, Barnes have always done it neat and clean for me, lethal bullet that doesn't look like you drove a kenworth through the animal. only experience I have with bergers is a big 300gn bullet, so far its far from neat and clean, quite the opposite, exit holes you could almost stick your head in, literally. Not sure you have to shoot the bergers out to the ranges you are wanting, but Broz has alot of experience with the bergers in 30cal, might be worth PMing him. 300 rum is a fabulously versatile round far as I'm concerned.

Front runners are the berger hunting 210 gr or the tactical 230, possibly considering the 200 AB as well.