I began my ladder tests today at my impromptu range out in the desert. The sky clear, wind SW @ 5 mph at an elevation of 4300', 72*. I have been loading the 168 VLD hunting with Retumbo starting at 59.0 gr. and up to 62.0 gr. The best results were shown at 62.0 gr. seated at 3.750. The best five shot group measured .750 +/- . I have been looking for a long range hand load with a slow burning powder and believe I have found what I am looking for. Next, work with seating depths to find the sweet spot. MTG