I don't know. I don't have anyone around here to shoot with (gauge myself with) and I see what you guys ar doing around here. These groups some of you guys are shooting are really impressive! I'm hoping to become competative, I just haven't been to a match yet to see what it's all about. I saw the scores they posted on the internet, and some of these guys shoot 10's at all distances. I assume thats a 1MOA 10 ring? I'm Just going to go meet these guys, and get started without pressuring myself with be competative and try to learn some more.