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1-10 twist on factory .270 win. Why?

Was there a particular reason why you didn't go with the 7-08, like you did for his older brother ? You're already tooled-up ( and schooled-up ) for that round.

It would be nice if the 270 could get the face-lift we'd like to see. The 7mm's ( which have been over-shadowing that fine cartridge for the last several decades ) seem to be going strong in the face of the rise in popularity of the 6.5's - new bullets, fast-twist barrels, etc. It's also holding its own relative to the 30-calibers.

I think there may be some hope for the 270 to catch a break ( I sure hope that it does ) and the 257's seem to be on the verge of that as well. Both bullet diameters seem to have their following, but they are kinda "caught in the middle" - the 270 is sandwiched in there between the 6.5's and the 7mm's, and the 257 is between the 6mm's & the 6.5's. Tough spots to be stuck in, with no Jack O'Connor around to hype them up. Maybe if we shooters make enough noise …..…...
Well the main reason i went with the 260 was the fact that it wasn't a 7-08, the younger guy hates having anything the same as his brother and being I've had so much experience with the 6.5x55 swede and
You don't want to hear this. But you let your cranky ways negatively influence your decision. The 6.5 CM, and now possibly the 6.5 PRC, WAS the choice you should have made, based on the criteria you set forth. Anyone who shoots them doesn't worry one bit about the uninformed naysayers who think they sound intelligent when they bash the Creedmoor. They just go out and enjoy hunting and long range shooting and snicker at the cranky old guys that refuse to accept progress. Insinuating that the 6.5CM is just a clone or regurgitation of another older cartridge (I assume you mean the .260 Rem) shows a serious lack of research or understanding of cartridge design or implementation.

First of all, the 6.5CM is not some magic cartridge. And few of us owners/ shooters ever say it is. But it's wannabe detractors usually undermine their arguments in their own posts. "My 260 Rem is ballistically superior. I just wish I could buy factory ammo." "I like my 270 better. I just wish they made better 270 bullets." "If the twist rate on my 243 was faster, I could shoot heavy bullets as well as the 6.5's." And so on. BUT THEY DON'T or IT ISN'T.

The 6.5CM occupies a "sweet spot" in two inversely proportionate metrics, power vs recoil. It's not the only cartridge in that sweet spot. But it is in there. But most important to it's success is THERE AREN'T ANY "BUTS" with the 6.5 CM. It came out of the gate with great support and was "done right." They DO build high quality rifles in 6.5 CM. You CAN buy high quality factory ammo with cutting edge bullets. You CAN buy Lapua brass for reloading. ALL the rifles offered have fast twist barrels made for heavy bullets. It WAS designed to operate properly in a short action. And the list goes on. It doesn't have any glaring weaknesses or omissions. THATS the reason for its success.

I could randomly pick ANY rifle made in 6.5 CM, including some $300 or less, scope it, buy a couple boxes of factory ammo at a local store (in stock), and go shoot fairly accurately to probably 1000 yards, all in the first day. What other cartridge can you honestly say that about?
THAT'S why it's so popular. Because it IS better in many ways than what was out there before it. The open-minded people experienced it and then adopted the progress.

If you think all these manufacturers and top shooters/ hunters just suddenly last their mind and built/ bought 6.5 CM rifles as part of some massive marketing scam. And that the top PRS shooters and hunters suddenly lost their minds, read a bit of Hornady fluff and blindly chose 6.5CM so they could be part of some "cool kids" club, then there's no way any amount of evidence or reason is going to change your mind. But for those of us who look at things objectively and are open to progress, we have seen the light. Nothing wrong with a 260 Rem, except for the serious lack of factory ammo and the difficulty in seating long bullets in a short action without eating up lots of case capacity. But since using factory ammo was one of your criteria, there were better choices.
boo hoo
 
Because the 1 in 10" stabilizes bullets to 150 gr just fine for 85%+ of shooters and hunting situations. And half of the remaining 15% (probably) have no business shooting "long range" at game animals anyway, so it's a fairly small market for the manufacturers to cater to. JMHO.
 
one of the issues I see with heavy .277 bullets is the length of them, you would have to shove those bullets so far down into the case so far they can now no longer be pushed as fast as wanted for longer ranges--now with full custom barrel,using 170-180 grain pills, you can use a fast 1:8 twist with a longer box mag and longer throat so that no longer becomes an issue
my guess is you may see a 1:9, maybe a 1:8 twist rate 270w in the future, but most likely you wont be able to optimize it unless you hand load and single feed on a factory rifle for that caliber.
Factory ammo is made to saami specs , max length is 3.340, the 170 eol berger is almost 1.5" long--it would protrude .65" into the case or almost 1/2" past the neck/shoulder junction on saami spec ammo--hard to get ammo manufactures to make ammo that doesn't fit into saami specs

maybe if we see something like a 270prc or 6.8prc (270ss) where the case is designed for long heavy bullets, then the fast twist barrels would follow
 
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I think that most manufacturers stick with 1:10 because it works as is for most hunters. I love my 270 and it shoots both 130 and 150 Nosler Partitions quite well. I killed a wounded antelope at 750 yards with a 150 Partition with the bullet going thru both lungs and leaving a decent sized hole on the off side. The goat, missing his lower jaw from a shot from a guy with a 7mm mag, died quickly as both lungs were reduced to mush. I would never have taken such a long shot under normal circumstances but this guy was going to starve to death if something wasn't done, which I couldn't stand for. Long range for me is usually 400 yds so I had no idea about hold over at such extreme range, so there were a lot of ranging shots before I finally got him. As the Partitions work perfectly for me, I see little use in changing anything with the rifle.
Cheers,
crkckr
 
Nothing wrong with the 1:10.

Find boolitz the rifle shoots good,,, go hunting or hammer the gongs and paper...

My good friend in our parts has been at it for 40 + years with his 270 Winchester...

A house and 2 shops full of North American game...

Frugal 150gr boolitz to boot
 
None of the big manufacturers are going to make new HF mandrels or buttons for fast twist .277" bores for the <10% of us that actually care about 160+ grain bullets. It sucks but it's true. Too much tooling cost for something most people don't care about.
 
I built an Argentine 98 mauser with my grandkids in mind. Built on a budget with a short chambered Shilen from Brownells. Shocked at how well it shoots 130 gr Sierras into 5 shot 3/8 holes. Then, factory Barnes ammuntion, exactly the same groups with minor poi shift.
That twist was plenty for the times then and now, anything up to 150's as the typical offerings off the shelf.
If you want to shoot heavier "custom" offerings in .277, then yes, you need a twist targeted for that.
My granddaughter just popped her first deer in Kaibab, AZ. at 275 yards with the Barnes factory ammo last season. Leaving well enough alone. If that isn't what your looking for, go a different route on chambering/caliber.
 
The 145 ELDX sure works in the 1/10. The problem I have seen with 260 is limited factory ammo that can be hard to find but a good round otherwise.
Since you are a curmudgeon and cranky I won't tell you you should have got the 6.5 PRC.

That used to be the case. Now there is Lots of 260 Rem match ammo including the hornady match 130gr eldms.
 
You don't want to hear this. But you let your cranky ways negatively influence your decision. The 6.5 CM, and now possibly the 6.5 PRC, WAS the choice you should have made, based on the criteria you set forth. Anyone who shoots them doesn't worry one bit about the uninformed naysayers who think they sound intelligent when they bash the Creedmoor. They just go out and enjoy hunting and long range shooting and snicker at the cranky old guys that refuse to accept progress. Insinuating that the 6.5CM is just a clone or regurgitation of another older cartridge (I assume you mean the .260 Rem) shows a serious lack of research or understanding of cartridge design or implementation.

First of all, the 6.5CM is not some magic cartridge. And few of us owners/ shooters ever say it is. But it's wannabe detractors usually undermine their arguments in their own posts. "My 260 Rem is ballistically superior. I just wish I could buy factory ammo." "I like my 270 better. I just wish they made better 270 bullets." "If the twist rate on my 243 was faster, I could shoot heavy bullets as well as the 6.5's." And so on. BUT THEY DON'T or IT ISN'T.

The 6.5CM occupies a "sweet spot" in two inversely proportionate metrics, power vs recoil. It's not the only cartridge in that sweet spot. But it is in there. But most important to it's success is THERE AREN'T ANY "BUTS" with the 6.5 CM. It came out of the gate with great support and was "done right." They DO build high quality rifles in 6.5 CM. You CAN buy high quality factory ammo with cutting edge bullets. You CAN buy Lapua brass for reloading. ALL the rifles offered have fast twist barrels made for heavy bullets. It WAS designed to operate properly in a short action. And the list goes on. It doesn't have any glaring weaknesses or omissions. THATS the reason for its success.

I could randomly pick ANY rifle made in 6.5 CM, including some $300 or less, scope it, buy a couple boxes of factory ammo at a local store (in stock), and go shoot fairly accurately to probably 1000 yards, all in the first day. What other cartridge can you honestly say that about?
THAT'S why it's so popular. Because it IS better in many ways than what was out there before it. The open-minded people experienced it and then adopted the progress.

If you think all these manufacturers and top shooters/ hunters just suddenly last their mind and built/ bought 6.5 CM rifles as part of some massive marketing scam. And that the top PRS shooters and hunters suddenly lost their minds, read a bit of Hornady fluff and blindly chose 6.5CM so they could be part of some "cool kids" club, then there's no way any amount of evidence or reason is going to change your mind. But for those of us who look at things objectively and are open to progress, we have seen the light. Nothing wrong with a 260 Rem, except for the serious lack of factory ammo and the difficulty in seating long bullets in a short action without eating up lots of case capacity. But since using factory ammo was one of your criteria, there were better choices.
I bought my son a 6.5 creed because it went better with his flatbill and skinny jeans and I bought myself a 260 rem. Sure there is more factory ammo for the 6.5, but there is also an absurd amount in 260. Remington finally made a decent 260 with an 8 twist in the 5r Gen 2 and I don't see any advantage the creedmoor offers over the 260 rem. Maybe cheap factory rifles with a fast twist. Cuddos to Hornady's marketing team.
 
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Well the main reason i went with the 260 was the fact that it wasn't a 7-08, the younger guy hates having anything the same as his brother and being I've had so much experience with the 6.5x55 swede and

boo hoo

I hope you're not insinuating that I'm the one saying "Boo Hoo." I'm not the one that bought the rifle that doesn't meet your objectives due to closed mindedness. I'm very happy with MY caliber choices. They do exactly what I intended them to do.

Btw, that's my 6.5 C word in my avatar pic, along with a monster NM Antelope I took with one shot at 568yards in a 10 mph crosswind using factory Hornady PH 143gr ELD-X. Hit him exactly in the heart and blew most of it out the other side. He went 10 yards and dropped like rock. I wish I had a pic of the blood trail. It was impressive. Looked like someone used a paint sprayer on the grass. It's not the only rifle I have. I have much bigger and much smaller. But the 6.5 C word just makes shooting easy. Buy rifle, buy good factory ammo, go ring steel at 1200 yards or kill game to 600+. Low recoil, inherently accurate and so much fun to shoot.
 
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why is there no factory fast twist 270?.... because the 280rem and 280ai exist... look there for a '06 based cartridge with a fast enough twist to take advantage of heavy bullets
 
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I hope you're not insinuating that I'm the one saying "Boo Hoo." I'm not the one that bought the rifle that doesn't meet your objectives due to closed mindedness. I'm very happy with MY caliber choices. They do exactly what I intended them to
This was a .270 twist rate thread, but as expected some typical little snot who loves his creedmoor had to chime in and show how much ( or little )he knows about guns, people and making friends. You wouldn't run your mouth like that in person,Without getting an open hand slap
 
You don't want to hear this. But you let your cranky ways negatively influence your decision. The 6.5 CM, and now possibly the 6.5 PRC, WAS the choice you should have made, based on the criteria you set forth. Anyone who shoots them doesn't worry one bit about the uninformed naysayers who think they sound intelligent when they bash the Creedmoor. They just go out and enjoy hunting and long range shooting and snicker at the cranky old guys that refuse to accept progress. Insinuating that the 6.5CM is just a clone or regurgitation of another older cartridge (I assume you mean the .260 Rem) shows a serious lack of research or understanding of cartridge design or implementation.

First of all, the 6.5CM is not some magic cartridge. And few of us owners/ shooters ever say it is. But it's wannabe detractors usually undermine their arguments in their own posts. "My 260 Rem is ballistically superior. I just wish I could buy factory ammo." "I like my 270 better. I just wish they made better 270 bullets." "If the twist rate on my 243 was faster, I could shoot heavy bullets as well as the 6.5's." And so on. BUT THEY DON'T or IT ISN'T.

The 6.5CM occupies a "sweet spot" in two inversely proportionate metrics, power vs recoil. It's not the only cartridge in that sweet spot. But it is in there. But most important to it's success is THERE AREN'T ANY "BUTS" with the 6.5 CM. It came out of the gate with great support and was "done right." They DO build high quality rifles in 6.5 CM. You CAN buy high quality factory ammo with cutting edge bullets. You CAN buy Lapua brass for reloading. ALL the rifles offered have fast twist barrels made for heavy bullets. It WAS designed to operate properly in a short action. And the list goes on. It doesn't have any glaring weaknesses or omissions. THATS the reason for its success.

I could randomly pick ANY rifle made in 6.5 CM, including some $300 or less, scope it, buy a couple boxes of factory ammo at a local store (in stock), and go shoot fairly accurately to probably 1000 yards, all in the first day. What other cartridge can you honestly say that about?
THAT'S why it's so popular. Because it IS better in many ways than what was out there before it. The open-minded people experienced it and then adopted the progress.

If you think all these manufacturers and top shooters/ hunters just suddenly last their mind and built/ bought 6.5 CM rifles as part of some massive marketing scam. And that the top PRS shooters and hunters suddenly lost their minds, read a bit of Hornady fluff and blindly chose 6.5CM so they could be part of some "cool kids" club, then there's no way any amount of evidence or reason is going to change your mind. But for those of us who look at things objectively and are open to progress, we have seen the light. Nothing wrong with a 260 Rem, except for the serious lack of factory ammo and the difficulty in seating long bullets in a short action without eating up lots of case capacity. But since using factory ammo was one of your criteria, there were better choices.
My uncle had a 6.5 creedmore I have a 260. Mine was just as good as his in every way. He sold the CM I still have my 260
 
A 270 is a solid 400-500 yard gun. A 1/10 twist imo is a excellent twist rate for its intended purpose. If I want to go beyond 500 yards I'm gonna grab something else that's better suited longer range applications.
 
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