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6mm Creedmoor first elk hunt
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I agree 100%, there isn't much of any. It would be great if manufacturers would test all their bullets in ordinance-grade gel blocks. I would recommend reading Martin Facklers work in wound ballistics and how bullets kill.
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Here is a 247 lb 3.5 year old whitetail I killed this year in N Michigan with an 77 grain Sierra TMK at 75 yards. He stayed on his feet for 3 seconds, fell and never moved again. Fragmenting bullets work fine
Marky_mark
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Do you think he is the first person to write a book on terminal ballistics?
med358-boise
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Fackler's work is very informative, I remembering reading it years ago. As I recall, he discussed both penetration and fragmentation and that fragmentation is very beneficial to killing capabilities because it increases the permanent wound channel (i.e. the fragments cause their own wounds) that of course assumes the fragmentation occurs at a deep enough depth that the fragment wounded vital tissue.
Creedmoor shooter
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I can only attest to whitetails and black bears, but myself and family been hunting with eld-m projectiles exclusively for the past several years. I've yet to see a whitetail/bear shoulder stop a eld-m.
If I were an elk "guide"…. I'd way rather see a guy show up with a 6 Creed that he could shoot well, than a 7 Mag he was unfamiliar with and/or scared of.
Much of the back-end "what if something goes wrong" variables can be mitigated by understanding the limitations on one's ability and wares.
I think there's a lot of folks opining and waxing eloquent… on a subject they've got little experience with.
Much of the back-end "what if something goes wrong" variables can be mitigated by understanding the limitations on one's ability and wares.
I think there's a lot of folks opining and waxing eloquent… on a subject they've got little experience with.
memtb
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Over the years there have been many incidents that are contrary to your statement!
Just because you didn't see it ……doesn't mean that it doesn't exist! Maybe you should get out more!
memtb
memtb
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If a hunter is scared of a 7 mag, perhaps he/she is better suited for golf……not hunting! memtb
Since this subject has taken on its own life, I thought I'd add a little fuel to the fire. I'm just kidding. 
It's interesting to see other points of view on both sides of the caliber discussion, as far as information on the subject... P.O. Ackly has done a little work in that area as well, with small calibers and high velocity, in game harvesting outcomes. One might pick up his reloading manuals #1 & #2 it's his earlier work, but... gives some good insight into the subject in these two books. No dog in the fight, I can agree with pretty both sides of the conversation when understand parameters are set for both sides of the discussion. Cheers
God gave us animals to use not abuse, live by that and you will always pick correctly.
It's interesting to see other points of view on both sides of the caliber discussion, as far as information on the subject... P.O. Ackly has done a little work in that area as well, with small calibers and high velocity, in game harvesting outcomes. One might pick up his reloading manuals #1 & #2 it's his earlier work, but... gives some good insight into the subject in these two books. No dog in the fight, I can agree with pretty both sides of the conversation when understand parameters are set for both sides of the discussion. CheersGod gave us animals to use not abuse, live by that and you will always pick correctly.
Dunning-Kruger Effect
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Don't need to, smaller caliber, less recoiling rifles kill big game very well. Also, many people have debilitating shoulder injuries, like the ex-Army ranger I hunt with, and can't shoot a magnum anymore...and 100% agrees with me.................that golf is a pointless game.
Others have developed a horrible flinch from shooting heavy-recoiling magnum rifles "cuz that's what daddy and grand-daddy said to use" and what they mistakenly learned on. Flinching is not a matter of if, but when. Everyone will develop one eventually, amplify that hard-recoiling rifle with "buck fever" and a less-than perfect positional shooting and your hit percentage plummets. That's been proven, not speculation.
90% of the time, pro shooter Jon Pynch shoots nothing more than a 6.5 caliber, and will only shoot over .30 when forced to because he knows the consequences of shooting heavy-recoiling rifles - he'll quickly develop a flinch that he has to work out.
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That's okay, they can have their own experience and stories, and I can have mine if that's okay with you of course?Over the years there have been many incidents that are contrary to your statement!
Just because you didn't see it ……doesn't mean that it doesn't exist! Maybe you should get out more!
I hunt 5 states every year, 7 states every other year, and in 3 countries every other year. I'm pretty much tapped out, sorry I can't live up your expectations or approval.
Only a Boomer needs a BOOMER to kill elk.
