Vista Outdoors

Federal and Remington Ammunition Were Sold to a Czech Company. Here's Why the CEO Says That's a Good Thing for American Hunters and Shooters

Interesting. I see it like the argument of purchasing a vehicle or leasing it. It appears to be a good thing, but there is a issue with the system that makes "renting" appear to be fiscally responsible.

I'm never comfortable with outside interests controlling such a vast portion of that which supports our second amendment. Just my opinion.

Time will tell. It always does. Thanks for sharing this info.

Which brings a question to my mind.
Do you think this still would have happened if Trump was in office at the time? He is for this country to be strong, but he is still a businessman. I wonder if the outcome would have been any different.

Rflshootr said:

Which brings a question to my mind.
Do you think this still would have happened if Trump was in office at the time? He is for this country to be strong, but he is still a businessman. I wonder if the outcome would have been any different.

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Great question! Terrible that such a question should exist seeing how all claim to make a better America.

Certainly has me trying my darnedest to support non Vista companies, they may be wonderful new owners... but never in my lifetime has so much market consolidation been long term good for the consumer.

Something's have more important ace than turning a dollar and pretty sure this is one of them. This should never been an option

Thanks

Buck

Sounds like a good business opportunity for the mom n pop & boutique ammo companies to push the ol" Made in the USA thing.

comfisherman said:

Certainly has me trying my darnedest to support non Vista companies, they may be wonderful new owners... but never in my lifetime has so much market consolidation been long term good for the consumer.

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sadly thats becoming like not supporting blackrock owned companies....good luck

In my opinion, Vista never should have been given the green light to monopolize the industry in the first place. That would've solved the problem before it became one.

Then there are the games they played pushing their consumer prices into the stratosphere at a time when they were also trying to attract a buyer for the business.

I've got nothing against this new owner, as long as they keep making it here, but in my opinion they cannot attract new reloaders until they bring prices down. Without new customers their bottom line shrinks lower with the death of every current customer.

MtPockets said:

In my opinion, Vista never should have been given the green light to monopolize the industry in the first place. That would've solved the problem before it became one.

Then there are the games they played pushing their consumer prices into the stratosphere at a time when they were also trying to attract a buyer for the business.

I've got nothing against this new owner, as long as they keep making it here, but in my opinion they cannot attract new reloaders until they bring prices down. Without new customers their bottom line shrinks lower with the death of every current customer.

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One thing you have to think about though, is there are sooo many new gun owners (especially handgun) in the last 5 years or so, that the majority of them have no interest in reloading and are buying factory ammo. The majority of the people probably only shoot once or twice a year, even the long range rifle owners now that it has become a sniper fad. With that being said, I think their focus is more on the factory ammo part, then the component part for reloaders. Remember when the shortages hit and the factory ammo was there, but no components? My opinion is they used covid shortages, which didn't really exist to any significant extent, to run the prices up to see what the market would bear....and they were successful. Then it seemed like all of the sudden, just about everything became available at a high price, except maybe Alliant powders. I still haven't figured that one out yet.

Rflshootr said:

One thing you have to think about though, is there are sooo many new gun owners (especially handgun) in the last 5 years or so, that the majority of them have no interest in reloading and are buying factory ammo. The majority of the people probably only shoot once or twice a year, even the long range rifle owners now that it has become a sniper fad. With that being said, I think their focus is more on the factory ammo part, then the component part for reloaders. Remember when the shortages hit and the factory ammo was there, but no components? My opinion is they used covid shortages, which didn't really exist to any significant extent, to run the prices up to see what the market would bear....and they were successful.

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That is my thoughts, exactly.
Many of us initially got into reloading for the economics but with the quality and price of some of todays loaded ammo, the new owner will find it difficult if not impossible to attract new customers that way.