Suppressor Use by Minor

WeiserBucks · 2024-12-12T23:12:30-0600

Do you carry around your approved 4473? Of course not. Quit making NFA items into some kind of mystical never never land golden ticket unicorn that needs a permission slip to take a ****.

Rhovee · 2024-12-12T23:14:04-0600

I mean you guys seriously think if a game warden saw anyone let alone a 16 year old hunting deer legally with a license and tag, he is going to arrest him for using his dad's suppressor? I have ran into a few wardens over the years. They are hunters themselves and making sure people have tags and are shooting correct animals etc. They aren't trying to " ah ha! Got ya".

WeiserBucks · 2024-12-12T23:17:22-0600

Rhovee said:
They aren't trying to " ah ha! Got ya".

You describe 6% of game wardens. In my experience they're the worst form of LE in this country and would arrest their own mother for possession of 1 quail over the YEARLY limit and testify against her at trial.

akmtnhnt · 2024-12-13T05:26:44-0600

dfanonymous said:
The nativity.
Given the manpower, or lack there of, if you're being asked for a tax stamp then you're being investigated. Hide your dog.

The standard of probable cause to be met is basically nothing for a collage drop out with a double digit IQ.

Having a Christmas tree scent dangling off your rear view mirror can be "probable cause." Your liberal neighbor calling you a gun nut klansman is probable cause.

While AK might treat their citizens like people, there's 12 states that CAN "check your papers."
It's commonly referred to "stop and identify."

If the federal government decides you're an enemy, it will not be a fair fight. If you don't have an army of lawyers behind you, and resources ($) good luck.

A judge isn't going to reject the affidavit for a warrant because the "probable cause" was actually reasonable suspicion. It happens all the time. Especially if you're not a big shot CEO or high profile person of some type.

I very much agree with the first point. If anyone is asking for your tax stamp, you probably need a lawyer yesterday and hopefully your dog is already full of tannerite.

The couple stasi esque states with stop and ID still require ras. I have to believe that a judge will actually uphold the actual law on that. If I didn't, we should be at war with every government agent now.

Ark. Trapper · 2024-12-13T05:57:20-0600

Technically speaking it is not "legal" for your 16 yo to have it without you being within arms reach or "direct control". Now on to real life. In my state I've quizzed quite a few GW and LE and I"d say that 75% of em don't have a d@mn clue what the gun/suppressor laws are. In most states you aren't REQUIRED to let ANYONE except ATF or IRS agents look at your tax stamp. How many ATF agents have you seen in the wild? None. The answer is NONE.. The real question is. How many times have you ever had a game warden walk onto your hunting property and check you? If the answer is 1 or more times then don't let the kid use it. Plain and simple. If the answer is never then I know what I'd do, but you do you brother.

Mark37082 · 2024-12-13T06:12:47-0600

Personal experiences mold opinions on LEO's of all types. It's important not to judge all by the actions of the few. However, it is wise not to push your luck by expecting every LEO to use compassion and understanding when you have crossed the line on what is legally required.

Roughrice · 2024-12-13T06:13:04-0600

True.
The only time I've even heard about a suppressor being checked around here is a couple people that were picked up for drug bust where the search warrant party found a couple of unregistered homemade cans in their possession.
Had nothing to do with hunting.

Ark. Trapper · 2024-12-13T06:42:36-0600

morgaj1 said:
I am planning to add him to my trust when he turns 18

You can actually add him before he turns 18, which is actually smart just in case, God forbid, something were to happen to you before he turns 18.

Rick Richard · 2024-12-13T07:36:38-0600

For as little effort as it takes to click the button on a printer and print the document, then do that and prevent any potential hassle down the line. Just saying.

akmtnhnt · 2024-12-13T08:41:33-0600

WeiserBucks said:
Do you carry around your approved 4473? Of course not. Quit making NFA items into some kind of mystical never never land golden ticket unicorn that needs a permission slip to take a ****.

I for one print and carry my tax return for the past 3 years just in case a game warden wants to see that as well.

FireFlyFishing · 2024-12-13T11:51:41-0600

akmtnhnt said:
I for one print and carry my tax return for the past 3 years just in case a game warden wants to see that as well.

dfanonymous · 2024-12-13T14:01:24-0600

Mark37082 said:
Personal experiences mold opinions on LEO's of all types. It's important not to judge all by the actions of the few. However, it is wise not to push your luck by expecting every LEO to use compassion and understanding when you have crossed the line on what is legally required.

Legal is a loose term. "They," being the government crossed the line first.

If a suppressor is not protected by the 2A as an "arm," then why is being regulated as such?

If it IS considered a "ARM," then ok…but then there's a lot of state and federal infringement if that's how they want to treat it. They don't get to have it both ways.

It's a suppressor. It's like them making your show your paperwork for a scope. Why not right? Just have the paperwork so there's no hassle…

QuietTexan · 2024-12-13T17:09:27-0600

FireFlyFishing said:
I believe ATF agents are only allowed to asked for the stamp. That's it.

A LEO on arfcom many years ago said he would go up and ask people for paperwork at his private range. But the only hard answer he gave about legality that I recall coming from that was if you refused, he'd Karen about bylaws and any member being able to tell people to leave and threaten calling in trespassing on private property for not leaving until people caved and showed him the stamp or left. What an

Rick Richard said:
For as little effort as it takes to click the button on a printer and print the document, then do that and prevent any potential hassle down the line. Just saying.

I do have a big binder of paperwork because I'm generally non-confrontational, and I'll go so far as to say when you're talking to your buddy the deputy or game warden being a good guy about little things goes a long way in maintaining your small town social status. But depending on the situation I might just decide to scream "Save me Ted Cruz!" while running around in circles in my underwear. Keep dem local yokels on their toes, give them something to talk about at the truck stop.

WeiserBucks said:
Do you carry around your approved 4473? Of course not. Quit making NFA items into some kind of mystical never never land golden ticket unicorn that needs a permission slip to take a ****.

Yup. All of this concern is based on "you can beat the rap, but not the ride". The government has more power and resources than us peons, and will use the threat of financial ruin paying for lawyers to coerce us into giving to them what they want.

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