Thoughts on 35 calibers

I think the 35 Whelen is downright cool....

especially the Woodleigh 325gr!!!! Jeeeeezee what a bullet

I think the 35 being heavy has a lot of drop @ 350yds with the 06 capacity case, and a lot of recoil. This is speculation I haven't used one.

Its a toss up on the 338-06 though. The bullet selection is higher and they will have better BC and shoot flatter. But someone mentioned they didn't get killing results with the 338 like they did with 358 so not sure.

Cool project though!!!!!

VinceMule said:

OP is wanting the new rifle for deer.....hummm........

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O….K!

Perhaps flatter shooting with more hp? Inquiring minds! memtb

When it comes to .338 cals, I hunted with a friend that used a Wby MkV in .340 Wby Mag it had some crazy range and power, but... I still liked the .358 NM overall. Just my 0.2 Cheers

A Whelen fits the original post. Try the 225 Sierra Game King; it is great in the Whelen. With the long neck of the case, it is very happy pushing cast bullets, of which there about a million options. My favorite is the NOE 230 flat nose; it can also be cast with a hollow point which will in fact rupture a chicken.
A scope with adjustable turrets will overcome any arcing trajectory, but particular attention needs to be paid on impact location and bullet speed at impact. That is what can limit the Whelen at distance. Using a correct, frangible light for caliber mono can help mitigate that some, but will eventually slow to the point of acting like a solid, too. The bigger 35s can stretch the effective distance, or cause more bullet upset and resulting tissue trauma, but there are no .700 BC .35 bullets. This leaves us .35ers in the quarter mile and in crowd. But deer at 300 are decisively told what to do when hit correctly with the Whelen and an appropriate bullet.

98s1lightning said:

I think the 35 Whelen is downright cool....

especially the Woodleigh 325gr!!!! Jeeeeezee what a bullet

I think the 35 being heavy has a lot of drop @ 350yds with the 06 capacity case, and a lot of recoil. This is speculation I haven't used one.

Its a toss up on the 338-06 though. The bullet selection is higher and they will have better BC and shoot flatter. But someone mentioned they didn't get killing results with the 338 like they did with 358 so not sure.

Cool project though!!!!!

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Have had both side by side, 338-06 shoots flatter, has easily 100fps more velocity across all bullet weights and penetrates deeper. Actual visual facts on shooting large deer, in fact, penetration was on par with 338WM and 340 Weatherby. My 35 Whelen was anaemic at best, not even surpassing 2500fps with 225's…
A 358STA is an absolute animal of a cartridge, I thought of using that case design for my 7STW build, but getting a reamer made was going to be a while, had the STW reamer sitting there, and…

Cheers.

MagnumManiac said:

Have had both side by side, 338-06 shoots flatter, has easily 100fps more velocity across all bullet weights and penetrates deeper. Actual visual facts on shooting large deer, in fact, penetration was on par with 338WM and 340 Weatherby. My 35 Whelen was anaemic at best, not even surpassing 2500fps with 225's…
A 358STA is an absolute animal of a cartridge, I thought of using that case design for my 7STW build, but getting a reamer made was going to be a while, had the STW reamer sitting there, and…

Cheers.

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Heck, my Ruger 77 with 220 speer fp's is running 2700 fps pushed by rl15. CFE 223 is supposed to be running faster with 225's, but I really haven't bothered to chrono. the combo yet. These rifles are rather barrel/ powder dependent on making speed. There were a couple of powders that only made 2500 fps or so with 220'ish bullets in the Ruger also.

My 35 Whelen was a Ruger M77 MK II, forget what barrel length now…22" or 24"?
My 338-06 is a custom on a Mauser '98 Brno VZ24 action, all built by me, my first 'smithing job, with all Gentry parts except the Timney trigger, Gentry 3 position safety etc. 24" barrel now, was a 25" barrel, but an accident hunting had to lop the crown off.
I get 2750fps with H4350 and 210g Partitions and 2700fps with 225g Accubonds…250g Partitions are sitting right around 2500fps.

Cheers.

This thread is making me miss my .358 Norma. Absolute beast of a round WITH GREAT EFFICIENCY AND PRACTICAL UTILITY. Not at all overkill for much of anything, not underkill for much of anything either. Why the heck did I sell that again???? Oh right, to fund another gun

Mine was a long and unwieldy thing, a 28 inch barrel on a BRNO ZG47 action. Shot well, very light recoil, and had no trouble getting 280 grain swift a frames to 2700+ fps.

MagnumManiac said:

My 35 Whelen was a Ruger M77 MK II, forget what barrel length now…22" or 24"?
My 338-06 is a custom on a Mauser '98 Brno VZ24 action, all built by me, my first 'smithing job, with all Gentry parts except the Timney trigger, Gentry 3 position safety etc. 24" barrel now, was a 25" barrel, but an accident hunting had to lop the crown off.
I get 2750fps with H4350 and 210g Partitions and 2700fps with 225g Accubonds…250g Partitions are sitting right around 2500fps.

Cheers.

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That's about what I'd expect for a 338-06. I net 2900 fps with a 225 Hornady or Nos AB in my 26" bbl'd #1 338-win mag. h4831 or rl19 are about the same with rl19 edging on accuracy, so I've been loading that one.
My Ruger is a 12" twist Hawkeye, so she'll run the heavy mono's to moa and loves the mid weight fp pills. The 220 Speer it loves is discontinued, so I've been working with the 225 tsx, and I have a couple hundred 250 Speer pills I need to work with eventually. I'll probably shove those with cfe223 or v540. rl15 is hard to get and pricy lately.

Calvin45 said:

This thread is making me miss my .358 Norma. Absolute beast of a round WITH GREAT EFFICIENCY AND PRACTICAL UTILITY. Not at all overkill for much of anything, not underkill for much of anything either. Why the heck did I sell that again???? Oh right, to fund another gun

Mine was a long and unwieldy thing, a 28 inch barrel on a BRNO ZG47 action. Shot well, very light recoil, and had no trouble getting 280 grain swift a frames to 2700+ fps.

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280 to 2700 fps... heck, that'll play ball or beat my 375.

Lefty7mmstw said:

280 to 2700 fps... heck, that'll play ball or beat my 375.

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The 28 inch pipe likely influences things a bit

.35's are a favorite. Probably I would narrow it down to 2 choices.

.35 Whelen in a handy platform to be used in close quarters.

.358 AI (STA) in situations needing reach.

With the good bullets today, I'd try .35 RUM if I had a few decades back.

HARPERC said:

.35's are a favorite. Probably I would narrow it down to 2 choices.

.35 Whelen in a handy platform to be used in close quarters.

.358 AI (STA) in situations needing reach.

With the good bullets today, I'd try .35 RUM if I had a few decades back.

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This would have been just beastly in my .358 Norma! It had a 12 twist. A .358 STA or 35 Nosler or .35 RUM or hell let's throw a 358-378 into the mix would do some amazing things I'm sure. Hammer also has a 198 and 215 hammer hunter tipped, all of these are further stoking the flames of my regret at selling my Norma! As is the knowledge that woodleigh is up and running and while they're still not readily available at least here, they will almost certainly at some point in the future do a run of those 310 grain round nose weldcores.

Still no true match or expressly designed long range bullets besides maybe some cutting edge. But they'll come yet…someone just needs to invent a .35 creedmoor

I tried to read the whole thread. Unless you need a 35 cal for regulations like iowa requires 35 cal or larger for deer. I would go 338-06. I have a 358 win in a 700 action and a 35 whelen in a tc encore break action. Love my 358 win with 200 gr hornady bullets over tac shoots well at 2650 fps. My weatherby ultra lightweight in 388-06 is great and would grab that over my 35 cals for most any hunt I can think of.