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Ballistic RF Binos vs Kestrel

I've used the Zeiss RF bino's for several years for hunting. They work well. That being said, their ballistic app isn't as comprehensive as others, but more than sufficient for what I do with it. Just dropped an elk two days ago. Although not ELR, (it was 420) Bino's quickly gave me the range and MOA. Plus, you can't beat Zeiss for glass quality!
 
I just got back from two hunts, and have one more in February. Using the kestrel as a solver has been the biggest hinderance the past couple years and feels clunky compared to my parents KILO's. I honestly think an APP is faster than the kestrel in terms of finding drop. I will carry my 2700 for finding wind, but I will be switching binos this offseason.
 
I just got back from two hunts, and have one more in February. Using the kestrel as a solver has been the biggest hinderance the past couple years and feels clunky compared to my parents KILO's. I honestly think an APP is faster than the kestrel in terms of finding drop. I will carry my 2700 for finding wind, but I will be switching binos this offseason.
Eagle Ballistics app😀
 
It's not the product's fault that you forgot to take the battery out. crappy Batteries create problems.
Well, no matter what you're using
Yep and if I recall they recommend lithium batteries anyway.

I find nothing antiquated about the Kestrel. It has a ton of functions that some users will never use. But show me any other device that can provide a shooting solution including all
Environmentals, spin drift coriolis, etc while also providing range and target cards as well as quick drop and wind bracketing all in one device.
 
Can someone explain why one would be better than the other and the difference between the two. Intended for hunting mostly. Can ballistic binos do everything a kestrel can, besides wind? If you have a cheap wind meter and ballistic binos would you still need kestrel? Looking to get one or the other but have little knowledge about both of their capabilities. Looking between the Leica Pro AB, Revics, and Vextors new binos. Thoughts on those as well?
Thanks for any insight.
This is a great question and I will answer it for you based on my experience in the field at matches and hunting. The kestrel is a neat little device I even bought one thinking i must have one. I soon realized I don't. If your ballistic solving Binos have environmental measuring devices incorporated you don't need one. I run with the zeiss vicotry RF and have some SIg 10k as well. I prefer the zeiss because of glass quality and consistency. Swarovski, Leica, Vortex, Vectronix…all have a version. Now here's the answer to your question and I will probably hurt some feelings. Don't buy a kesteral!! Waste of money!!! As you stated other wind meters exist. The best one for shooting is an orange bottle filled with baby powder that costs 3 bucks. Learn to gauge wind with your brain not a device. Having a wind meter initially will help hone this skill. I have not used a kesteral in a match since 2018. I have never used one hunting. We have engaged first round in pressure situations in team matches and out past 1K on antelope and yotes in the wind without one. You don't need it! Nobody does. We have the ability to judge wind direction and velocity and make a very accurate call as to how it will affect down range if we pay attention and train our minds to do it. I will also say this, in PRS the best shooters shoot together and they figure out wind before time starts. They watch each other shoot and where the bullet goes. When it is there turn all the figuring goes out the window and they hold what the dudes before them held. In NRL Hunter we are alone, blind stages and make our own wind calls. We don't know where the targets are to be able to make the final call before we see it. We can pay attention to the wind and know its direction and force going into a stage and some do use a kesteral. It really does not help and I will argue it hurts them in matches where there is extreme terrain and variable winds. To own a kesteral just for wind is dumb. Oh it does lead as well… that is dumb too. I own a mover and again using a kesteral to calculate lead is redundant and it doesn't calculate the speed of the moving target. You in put it. Learn to use your brain based on dope. Or here is a cheat, the lead for a 3mph moving target with 2800-2900 fps at 500 is gonna always be about 1.5 mils. Factor in wind and adjust accordingly. Oh the kestrel tells you target distance based on target size and reticle measurement. Yeah so does your phone or a simple chart and your brain if you spend a couple hours training it but you still need to know the size of what you are looking at for it to work. In short, do not buy a kestrel to use in the field. If you want to spend the money and use it as a training aid to hone your ability to call wind and lead in the field it's an expensive tool that works great for that. It also makes a great redundant (positive use of the word) tool to check your RF BC binos against. If you don't use it for that but instead as your crutch you are doing yourself as disfavor. Learn your dope by sending rounds down range and using what God gave us to program our minds. The payoff will be huge when you're faced with a situation like I was on my elk hunt this fall. Stoned him with the first shot at 740, walking left to right into a right to left wind shooting across a drainage. A second insurance round grounded him where he stood wobbling from the first one that blew apart his aorta. Had about 8 seconds to factor it in and would not have been comfortable breaking a shot if my dope and confidence relied on a battery powered piece of plastic stuffed in a pocket somewhere. Learn it feel it send it. One day you will thank me!
 
Yep and if I recall they recommend lithium batteries anyway.

I find nothing antiquated about the Kestrel. It has a ton of functions that some users will never use. But show me any other device that can provide a shooting solution including all
Environmentals, spin drift coriolis, etc while also providing range and target cards as well as quick drop and wind bracketing all in one device.
Look in the mirror and you will see one! Your brain can and I can prove it's better and faster in the field once you train it. If you rely on the kestrel and can't send a round down range with confidence without one you are not a competent rifleman. It does do all the crap you mentioned and is a neat device for that and it works great to train with. There are other ways to accomplish the same thing and find the same info without one and if you spend as much time with them as one needs to learn a kestrel operating system they are just as fast. Regardless, we need to program our mind with the useful info and the essential experience of sending rounds down range.. a lot of rounds. Then you have the ultimate advantage in the field under pressure and time constraints.
 
Look in the mirror and you will see one! Your brain can and I can prove it's better and faster in the field once you train it. If you rely on the kestrel and can't send a round down range with confidence without one you are not a competent rifleman. It does do all the crap you mentioned and is a neat device for that and it works great to train with. There are other ways to accomplish the same thing and find the same info without one and if you spend as much time with them as one needs to learn a kestrel operating system they are just as fast. Regardless, we need to program our mind with the useful info and the essential experience of sending rounds down range.. a lot of rounds. Then you have the ultimate advantage in the field under pressure and time constraints.
Maybe at minute of man distances, but when it comes to sub moa targets, the further away from 600y you get the more to the .1 mil you need to be.

Even back in the day, snipers would memorize there bullets, there's a point where your probability starts to require pinpoint accuracy.

Why that's relevant is because one of the other benefits of these binos are that most of them are ranging over a mile. Presumably, if are going to spend the extra money and carry the extra weight, you intend to, at least potentially, use the range capability of the device.

The only thing you can probably do entirely in your head is wind across the ballistic spectrum. Still, the kestrel does quick wind (gun mph chart), and in general, is more convenient, especially in low light, for 1/3 the wind solution. To the MPH.
 
Maybe at minute of man distances, but when it comes to sub moa targets, the further away from 600y you get the more to the .1 mil you need to be.

Even back in the day, snipers would memorize there bullets, there's a point where your probability starts to require pinpoint accuracy.

Why that's relevant is because one of the other benefits of these binos are that most of them are ranging over a mile. Presumably, if are going to spend the extra money and carry the extra weight, you intend to, at least potentially, use the range capability of the device.

The only thing you can probably do entirely in your head is wind across the ballistic spectrum. Still, the kestrel does quick wind (gun mph chart), and in general, is more convenient, especially in low light, for 1/3 the wind solution. To the MPH.
I agree, wind, coriolis, spin, slope can be done in the head. Wind is actually pretty easy but I think people over complicate it unintentionally.
 
I agree, wind, coriolis, spin, slope can be done in the head. Wind is actually pretty easy but I think people over complicate it unintentionally.
I will warn, that with high angle shooting, again, when going past distances where environmental start to take a significant role on bullet drop, that it's hard to do calculations in your head the change in atmospherics if shooting on slope. Like from a saddle to a mesa floor.

A 2000 ft difference in elevation on a mountain could only be 666 yards before cosine corrections.

A 1200 shot would definitely hit some different air densities along its path.
 
Personally I'd like to have both. Currently though, I only have the Kestrel but it is paired with a good range finder. Engaging more than one target the Kestrel is superior, especially if distances are already known (like a shooting competition) since I can input all of my ranges and use it as a target card instead of ranging each one and waiting for the binocular to spit out a correction. I personally will be buying the Leica Pro AB+ before too long to supplement my current optics setup, maybe even replace my binoculars and RF.
 
I will warn, that with high angle shooting, again, when going past distances where environmental start to take a significant role on bullet drop, that it's hard to do calculations in your head the change in atmospherics if shooting on slope. Like from a saddle to a mesa floor.

A 2000 ft difference in elevation on a mountain could only be 666 yards before cosine corrections.

A 1200 shot would definitely hit some different air densities along its path.
ELR teaches a person a lot about that if shooting extreme angles. I think for this page is a fairly insignificant part of the convo simply due to how little dwell time is involved at those different DA conditions and ranges. It is definitely a good point tho. Chasing yotes and wolves I generally see 20 or less slope and would guess mostly around 10. Biggest issue I face is wind and I run that through my brain pan for a quick seer and send it.
 

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