Marky_mark
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BURRIS Eliminator 6 WOW!
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I need to mess around with this some more as it seems to be much more refined now then when it first came out. I see a good list of bullets listed but not "cartridges". The only cartridges listed are Hornady factory ammo. When I first tried this they only had Hornady bullets listed as well. I'm surprised they're putting other bullet MFGs info in their 4DOF and how often do they update others info as changes are made.
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All the game folks would have to do is to put a range limitation on these, e.g., no more than 800 yards, to limit the distance. Manufacturers would comply. Given separate laser rangefinders that will range beyond 1000 yards and provide quick mil comeups are available, all the bans do is make things take a few seconds longer. In short, they're silly.
Re harvests, game depts do annual game counts and they survey hunters. They can limit tags to limit harvests. I think here in WA the hunter success rate is well under 20% for deer and elk, and it's not from overhunting but from range destruction... the windmill farms throughout the Kittitas valley aren't elk friendly. The areas I used to hunt in the late 80s now have more orange-clad hunters than deer. With the prohibitions on hound hunting we have lots of cougars and wolves (including on the west side of the Cascades), and very few deer and elk compared to the 99s and earlier.
The reason hunters take longer shots is because often that's all that you get. Why not let them have equipment that still requires good marksmanship but lessens the chances of wounding?
Re harvests, game depts do annual game counts and they survey hunters. They can limit tags to limit harvests. I think here in WA the hunter success rate is well under 20% for deer and elk, and it's not from overhunting but from range destruction... the windmill farms throughout the Kittitas valley aren't elk friendly. The areas I used to hunt in the late 80s now have more orange-clad hunters than deer. With the prohibitions on hound hunting we have lots of cougars and wolves (including on the west side of the Cascades), and very few deer and elk compared to the 99s and earlier.
The reason hunters take longer shots is because often that's all that you get. Why not let them have equipment that still requires good marksmanship but lessens the chances of wounding?
Danehunter
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ObiJohn "Kenobi", Very good argument. I think game managers are hung up on the definition of "Fair Chase".
As I said earlier, do they want a wounded animal running around and dying "unharvested" or a clean kill and a recorded harvest?
What is "unfair" about having an accurate aim point?? It's not automatic aiming. Good marksmanship is still required in terms of a steady hold, wind reading and trigger control.
Hunter organizations need to have earnest conversations with game management officials about scopes such as the SIG Sierra 6 BDX system and the BURRIS Eliminator 6.
As I said earlier, do they want a wounded animal running around and dying "unharvested" or a clean kill and a recorded harvest?
What is "unfair" about having an accurate aim point?? It's not automatic aiming. Good marksmanship is still required in terms of a steady hold, wind reading and trigger control.
Hunter organizations need to have earnest conversations with game management officials about scopes such as the SIG Sierra 6 BDX system and the BURRIS Eliminator 6.
Varmiter71
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The "6" has a velocity and energy at target so that the hunter can determine the cartridges ethical range based on what the hunters ethics are needed for a clean kill.
There are stories of people killing elk with a 6.5 creedmoor at 1000 or better. A "6" won't stop that.
The states that make it illegal to use need to make target nobs illegal as well. They do the same thing. Only difference is that the "6" gives you more information, for the hunter to decide what is ethical to them
There are stories of people killing elk with a 6.5 creedmoor at 1000 or better. A "6" won't stop that.
The states that make it illegal to use need to make target nobs illegal as well. They do the same thing. Only difference is that the "6" gives you more information, for the hunter to decide what is ethical to them
It determines its energy at any given range. It doesn't determine anything with regards to that topic we're not supposed to discuss here! In other words it can determine the effective killing range of the projectile based on energy at the target.
Varmiter71
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It's in the lower left corner I believe.
This is way better in my opinion than the older models that will not give you a solution past a certain range that they determine.
The person behind the scope has to make that determination for themselves.
You can do the same thing with a range card, but most people just want to no what to dial their scope to.
Most states tell you what energy you have to have at 100 yards to be a legal caliber but says nothing about how far you can shoot that setup. Nebraska says for deer it has to be 22 caliber or larger that has 800 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards and with a pistol it's 400 foot pounds of energy at fifty yards.
Every thing else is up to the shooter.
I am in the belief that the velocity is a more important factor than energy. Depending on bullet construction. If the velocity drops below where it will expand, then it is too far to shoot as long as that range is below the shooter's ability.
If you are competent to shoot at 1000 yards but you're cartridge is down to the minimum expansion velocity at 400 yards then I wouldn't shoot big game passed 400 yards.
But we all have are own personal ethics
This is way better in my opinion than the older models that will not give you a solution past a certain range that they determine.
The person behind the scope has to make that determination for themselves.
You can do the same thing with a range card, but most people just want to no what to dial their scope to.
Most states tell you what energy you have to have at 100 yards to be a legal caliber but says nothing about how far you can shoot that setup. Nebraska says for deer it has to be 22 caliber or larger that has 800 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards and with a pistol it's 400 foot pounds of energy at fifty yards.
Every thing else is up to the shooter.
I am in the belief that the velocity is a more important factor than energy. Depending on bullet construction. If the velocity drops below where it will expand, then it is too far to shoot as long as that range is below the shooter's ability.
If you are competent to shoot at 1000 yards but you're cartridge is down to the minimum expansion velocity at 400 yards then I wouldn't shoot big game passed 400 yards.
But we all have are own personal ethics
