E. R. Shaw barrels

Another Shaw barrel that shoots extremely well on a 1966 Savage 110.

Optics? Base and rings? Change out to try different optics?

Stock torqued to specs?

Any interest in trying a Hammer 90HHT or 104HHT? They usually shoot well and rated for 1:7tw.
 
I've never had a shaw barrel. But their rep is not as good as say Brux or Bartlien. With that being said not every barrel from even the best companies is a hummer. Some are just ok. Some are bummers. I think the likely hood of getting a bummer is less with the better barrel makers. I have done 3 criterions. 2 are really good one is struggling to hold moa. You may burn up a lot of components and find a load that shoots but from my experience if the barrel is that picky it's not likely. I would scope it. See if you can see something obvious.
 
I have played around with Re bored barrels and budget barrels for p. dogs, chucks, and short range coyotes(300 and less).

I think of it like this, out of 10 barrels, 6 will work to the accuracy standard for your application, with 4 being a pain in the arss, being rough inside requiring more cleaning, or inaccurate requiring more load development. It is an absolute disaster when you get a bad barrel, many trips to the rifle range with many dollars spent on components.

I have chambered my last cheap barrel due to 4 nightmares in the last few years with a couple of different makers. Also, you can get a bad top-drawer barrel that is rough as heck inside, so service after the sale is critical for me.

The two Shaw barrels I have had were good for short-range deer hunting, they are rougher than top drawer barrels, and a Sunen hone machine is not used on them to make sure the bore is uniform from front to back to the 0.0001. Everyone that I have known over the years who has used Shaw to chamber a barrel has had excellent results with 1" groups being about average.

What one guy calls a good barrel another calls a tomato stake.

Brux, Krieger, ABC, Hart, and Muller, are my barrel choices, and the Hell that I went through trying to get those bad barrels to shoot 1/2" groups is enough to make me appreciate the quality and anticipated groups that will be shot with the above barrels.
 
Alas, there are good barrels and bad barrels from every manufacturer.

I know a lot of people thumb their noses at makers like ER Shaw & Douglas.
My friend and I count ourselves lucky that we've had good results with both.

One thing I will note. It sounds like you are a benchrest or F Class shooter. The 1.25 straight barrel gives you away. 😉

These aren't Shilen or Brux barrels. They tend to be a little rough.
Clean the carbon out, but leave the copper in the barrel alone. It's a hunting rifle, not a match rifle.
Your not going to be doing fouling shots when you're hunting.

I have 2 Rugers that don't settle down until I get about 50 rounds through them.

This is an ER Shaw over run special $100. 24" sporter in 250 Savage screwed onto a Savage Axis II action.
75gr Sierra HP Varmint over a charge of Alliant Varmint. Distance 200 meters. Wind caught me out on the last shot.
 

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I have had good luck with Green Mountain barrels also, you have to be realistic about your expectations. Some years ago, we were buying Adams and Bennett barrels for $50 each, we shot out a lot of them on varmints. We learned some advanced cleaning and bore lapping methods to help them out.
 
My only experience with Shaw barrels wasn't good. 260 Remington, 1-8", sporter weight. The best it shot was close to 2" @ 100 yards, averaged over 3". Even after 100 rounds it was a copper mine after only 17 shots. Never again, two Shilen's, both shoot well under 1/2" @ 100 yards.
 
Beelzebub said:
Several years back I had a Remington model 7 in a .243 action rebarreled to a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel. It was SS, 26" with muzzle brake and a straight 1.25' diameter barrel full length. I eventually found a load with the bullet I wanted to hunt with that would regularly shoot 5/8" @ 100 yards. So I deemed Shaw as a good company.

Most recently, I sent in a Remington 700 in 243 to be barreled with a 26" ss Heavy varmint barrel with muzzle brake. I went by their braking in schedule of shooting X shots and cleaning. I've shot about 70 of my very best and most accurate loadings for my other three 243's. I have an RPR 243 with a 7.7:1 twist and it will shoot one hole, Berger 115 gr VLD-H at 100 yards all day long. But I wanted to get away from the tactical style platform to hunt with. So I had the latest action barreled with a 7:1 twist to stabilize the heavy 115 grainers from Berger. No such luck! Best I've been abler to do is about 1.25" 3 shot groups with Sierra 107's and Hornady 105's. I've already got 3 that will do that. This particular rifle was purposefully barreled to shoot the 115's.

I've loaded multiple powders of the type for 243 and super heavy bullets, such as my RPR loves and seated them from 2.825" to 2.960". I've got a Vortex Golden Eagle mounted on the rifle and a terrific homemade rifle rest. Still, best I can get is just over 1.125" 3 shot group. I called early this week and talked to a tec named Tom and basically he said if I was getting 1.25" groups I should be satisfied. I also shot 4 different factory loads and they barely made 2" groups.


I'm not looking for sympathy, yet, but asking for opinions or encouragement with possible things I might be doing wrong or over-doing right! Anyone have any experience with E>R> Shaw to share with me>

thanks in advance.
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Only tried one Shaw barrel and it shot any thing under 1 MOA. Was a .308 stainless barrel on Savage.

I suggest that you try a different scope to rule out scope issues.
 
I shot a newly installed Shaw barrel in a buddy's Rem 700 in 270 Win today. Shaw did the install, I paid for them to install a Rem taper, they decide SAAMI standard (so you cannot ask for special throat, but what we got was fine for the mag length of the BDL). I paid for a re-blue of the whole gun too.

$500 OTD (minus shipping from my end to them) end of 2023 special.

First 20 rounds were just a low book starting load of H4831. 145 ELDX bullets, seated into the lands a touch. I was really pleased that shots were all within 1.5" or so and that's cleaning after each of the first 5, then every four till done. So the group includes shots from a just cleaned, breaking in barrel.

While I cannot promise this barrel will get better, I am pretty confident that it will.

The blue job was far better than the 2009 Rem BDL got from the factory, BTW. I am pleased so far.
 
2 Shaw barrels (6.5-284 sporter & 7Mag Varmint) both are lucky to be 2 moa barrels. Was hopeing they would outshoot the Savage barrel
(ya got lucky enough to get a couple that wouldnt shoot moa) they replaced, nope no. Didnt get much past the goto loads so there is hope?
Both have been shelved due to high component prices!
 
Have had a 338 win rebarreled by shaw, this thing is a legit tack driver. Have a 243 they rebarreled, it's worse than the barrel they took off!
 
I have a Shaw barrel in 7-08 on a Savage 110. It will shoot almost any load into an inch at 100 yards. The load that I'm hunting with this fall is in the .4's .
That's all I need. Not my most accurate rifle ,but no slouch.
 
Beelzebub said:
Several years back I had a Remington model 7 in a .243 action rebarreled to a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel. It was SS, 26" with muzzle brake and a straight 1.25' diameter barrel full length. I eventually found a load with the bullet I wanted to hunt with that would regularly shoot 5/8" @ 100 yards. So I deemed Shaw as a good company.

Most recently, I sent in a Remington 700 in 243 to be barreled with a 26" ss Heavy varmint barrel with muzzle brake. I went by their braking in schedule of shooting X shots and cleaning. I've shot about 70 of my very best and most accurate loadings for my other three 243's. I have an RPR 243 with a 7.7:1 twist and it will shoot one hole, Berger 115 gr VLD-H at 100 yards all day long. But I wanted to get away from the tactical style platform to hunt with. So I had the latest action barreled with a 7:1 twist to stabilize the heavy 115 grainers from Berger. No such luck! Best I've been abler to do is about 1.25" 3 shot groups with Sierra 107's and Hornady 105's. I've already got 3 that will do that. This particular rifle was purposefully barreled to shoot the 115's.

I've loaded multiple powders of the type for 243 and super heavy bullets, such as my RPR loves and seated them from 2.825" to 2.960". I've got a Vortex Golden Eagle mounted on the rifle and a terrific homemade rifle rest. Still, best I can get is just over 1.125" 3 shot group. I called early this week and talked to a tec named Tom and basically he said if I was getting 1.25" groups I should be satisfied. I also shot 4 different factory loads and they barely made 2" groups.


I'm not looking for sympathy, yet, but asking for opinions or encouragement with possible things I might be doing wrong or over-doing right! Anyone have any experience with E>R> Shaw to share with me>

thanks in advance.
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Check all your mount Screws for the action and Scope. Then check what loads you are using. Then shoot it without the BRAKE. If you have a Bore Scope - "SCOPE THE BARREL".
After that if you are not getting any improvement in groups have a GS in your area ask him to check the "CROWN" and if he can give you a decent price on putting a new CROWN on the barrel.
You may be surprised what a new CROWN could do for accuracy if there is a defect in the first machining of the threads and CROWN.!
I have taken barrels with 100 to 1,000 rounds that were shooting poorly and turned them into tack drivers by a new CROWN!
 
One thing I will say for ER Shaw over Shilen.
Shaw's blueing is a thing of beauty!
Even with the shooting reputation of Shilen, I was not happy with the blueing job.
Wasn't the deep rich blueing that I would have expected. Also had marks on the blueing. Thin areas.
 
std7mag said:
One thing I will say for ER Shaw over Shilen.
Shaw's blueing is a thing of beauty!
Even with the shooting reputation of Shilen, I was not happy with the blueing job.
Wasn't the deep rich blueing that I would have expected. Also had marks on the blueing. Thin areas.
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I prefer my barrels to shoot well, being pretty is low on the list.
 

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