Using Artificial Intelligence

Sfalcon121

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Hello,

I was wondering if anybody might be aware of a artificial intelligence model for reloading?

My thought is that it would allow you to easily match velocities and performance based on seating depth, powder charge, and rifle history.
 
AI requires a feedback loop of information to create usable data.

If there was a way we could all input our load data into an app, website, etc., AI could sift through it, and eventually you might get some good information back.
 
No, closest thing is Gordon's or quickload
Not sure about QL but if GRT was accurate... I would have blown my gun up several times by now. Not sure what is off but I'm using a pretty mild charge of StaBall 6.5 with a 130 Grain Hornady Interlock. The app says I'm overpressured. No evidence at all on the brass or bolt lift. No evidence from the recoil.

I was pretty disappointed. For the 270 loads I've tried to develop... it is more or less useless.
 
Definitely not useful.

From AI Gemini:
A Word of Caution Before We Begin
Reloading ammunition is inherently dangerous. If you're new to reloading, it's crucial to invest time in learning the process thoroughly. Always follow the reloading manual's instructions precisely, and start with minimum loads, gradually working up to desired velocities.
Never exceed maximum loads listed in reloading manuals. Doing so can lead to catastrophic equipment failure and personal injury.
Finding Load Data for .308 with 178gr ELDX at 2700 FPS
Achieving a muzzle velocity of 2700 FPS with a 178gr ELDX bullet in a .308 Winchester is ambitious but possible. However, it will likely require a combination of optimal barrel length, a fast burning powder, and careful load development.
Here's a general approach to finding suitable load data:
* Consult Reliable Reloading Manuals:
* Refer to reputable reloading manuals like those from Hornady, Sierra, Hodgdon, or Lyman.
* Look for data specifically for the .308 Winchester cartridge and the 178gr ELDX bullet.
* While these manuals won't likely have data for exactly 2700 FPS, they will provide a starting point.
* Consider Powder Selection:
* A fast-burning powder is typically needed for higher velocities.
* Powders like Varget, Reloder 15, or H4350 are often used for .308 Winchester and might be suitable for your goal.
* Experiment with different powders to find the best performer for your rifle.
* Start Low, Work Up Gradually:
* Begin with a load significantly below the maximum listed in the reloading manual.
* Increase the powder charge in small increments, testing each load for accuracy and pressure signs.
* Use a chronograph to measure velocity and ensure you're within safe pressure limits.
* Barrel Length and Twist Rate:
* A longer barrel generally yields higher velocities.
* The twist rate of your barrel should be suitable for stabilizing the 178gr ELDX bullet.
* Other Factors:
* Primer type, brass quality, and seating depth can also affect velocity and accuracy.
* Experiment with different combinations to find the optimal setup.
Additional Tips
* Use a reloading scale: Ensure precise powder measurements.
* Check for pressure signs: Watch for signs of excessive pressure, such as flattened primers, excessive case head expansion, or hard bolt lift.
* Wear safety gear: Always wear eye and ear protection when reloading and shooting.
* Consider using a load development service: Some companies offer load development services for a fee.
Remember: Reloading is a learning process. Be patient, meticulous, and prioritize safety.
Would you like to provide more details about your rifle, such as barrel length, twist rate, and any previous reloading experience? This information can help refine the recommendations.
Disclaimer: This information is intended for general knowledge and informational purposes only. Always consult reloading manuals and follow safety guidelines.
Would you like to explore specific powder options or discuss potential load starting points based on available data?
 
Actually, playing with it, it actually does give you SOME useful information. Just not anymore than a reloading manual and 5 days worth of experience.

It's highly dependent on how you query to set the parameters. Luckily, it's like a wizard prompt, so you can select what you want like a reloading a-la-cart menu.

Gemini:
IMR 4350: A Solid Choice for Velocity
IMR 4350 is an excellent choice for pushing the 178 grain ELDX to higher velocities in your 20-inch barrel. It's known for its ability to generate good pressure while maintaining accuracy.
Starting Load and Safety
Disclaimer: This information is provided as a general guideline. Always consult reloading manuals and start with minimum load data.
* Start with a charge significantly below the minimum listed load for IMR 4350 and a 178 grain bullet in your reloading manual. This is crucial for safety.
* Increase charges in small increments, typically 0.3 grains at a time.
* Observe for pressure signs: Flattened primers, excessive case head expansion, or primer backings that show signs of stress are indicators of high pressure. If you notice any of these, stop loading immediately.
* Use a chronograph to accurately measure velocity.
* Wear safety glasses and hearing protection.
* Double-check your loads before firing.
Potential Starting Load
While I cannot provide specific load data without knowing your exact brass, primers, and other factors, a very conservative starting point for IMR 4350 with a 178 grain ELDX in a 20-inch barrel might be around 40 grains.
Again, this is a starting point and not a recommended load. You must work up gradually to find a safe and accurate load for your specific setup.
Additional Considerations
* Case Preparation: Ensure consistent case preparation for optimal performance.
* Bullet Seating Depth: Experiment with different seating depths to find the best accuracy and velocity.
* Primer Selection: While not as critical as with slower powders, you can experiment with different primer types to see if it affects performance.
* Chronograph: Use a chronograph to accurately measure velocity and monitor pressure.
* Record Keeping: Keep detailed records of your load development process.
By following these guidelines and prioritizing safety, you can develop a load that meets your velocity goals while maintaining accuracy.
Would you like to discuss potential starting overall lengths (OAL) for your load development?
Remember, safety is paramount. Always consult reloading manuals and start low and work up.
 
So actually, AI might actually be useful. You'll habe to give it you mag length, and chamber dimensions. The more specific about everything you are the more in generates. Kind of wild haha

Gemini:
Let's Build Your Load Curve
Excellent! Let's start building your load curve for the 178 grain ELDX with IMR 4350.
Load Development Data Sheet
To keep track of your load development process, it's essential to maintain a detailed record. Here's a basic format you can use:
| Load # | Powder Charge (grains) | Velocity (fps) | Pressure Signs | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 36.0 | | | Starting load |
| 2 | | | | |
| 3 | | | | |
| ... | ... | ... | ... | ... |
Safety First
Remember to always prioritize safety:
* Start low and work up gradually.
* Wear safety glasses and hearing protection.
* Observe for pressure signs.
* Double-check your loads before firing.
Let's start with Load #1:
* Powder Charge: 36.0 grains IMR 4350
* OAL: 2.800 inches
* Primer: [Your Primer Type]
* Brass: [Your Brass Manufacturer]
Once you've fired this load, record the velocity and carefully inspect the case for any pressure signs.
We'll adjust the charge based on the results and continue building the load curve until we find an accurate and safe load that meets your velocity goal of 2700 fps.
Please let me know once you've fired the first load and we can proceed with the next step.
Feel free to ask any questions you may have throughout the process.
 
Current AI is a language engine that learns from what it has scanned. Using AI for reloading is inviting all the stupidity of every liar on the Internet to affect your load data.
I think about the number of times I've read about someone getting 338 Lapua at 3000fps MV using a 300gr bullet in a 26" barrel, with no pressure signs. :rolleyes:

Use published or known sources = wise move.

I prefer the natural kind but GRT does very well and a new gen GRT expected in 2025
Who took over the code base?
 
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