Rifling

Is cut rifling really better than button rifling, if so why

Short Case said:

Is cut rifling really better than button rifling, if so why

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Do a search on LRH or the internet.

I think so, for hunting barrels.
There is less stress introduced with the cut rifling method.

Coyote Shadow Tracker said:

Do a search on LRH or the internet.

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Thanks for the heads up that gave me the answer to my question.

Short Case said:

Thanks for the heads up that gave me the answer to my question.

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Didn't mean not to personally answer your question. There are so many "Opinions" on different Rifling. There are many Posts on this subject here on LRH. If you are looking at "Accuracy" many championships are won on Cut 5R along with Button. We shoot both and have had barrels that shoot in the same hole.
Now just speaking about Rifling you have to also look at the Manufacture of the Barrel, the Process, the material.
As Mikecr stated with Cut Rifling has less STRESS during the "Cutting" but when doing the Button there is a HEAT Treatment to relieve the STRESS.
I could write a few pages of the processes and the history, but it's already in many posts before this one.

I'm no expert, but I've had a few cut rifled and button rifled barrels - I haven't really seen a difference in accuracy.

For some reason, I still tend to lean toward cut rifled barrels when selecting a blank though.

The stresses also come into play with finish contouring of the barrel.
Depends on how you order the barrel blank & what you need to do with it from there.

Take notice that twist rates when accurately reported by tge manf on button rifled barrels. You will not see that in cut barrels unless it's done on purpose. Cut rifling allows tighter controls of tge dimensions and flexibility of changing configuration of those dimensions. Take a Bartlein. If they want a 8 twist they will get exactly an 8 twist. Button it might be anywhere from 7.8-8.3. Lots of winners over the years from both technologies but I think cut rifling with modern CNC controls allows for the tightest most consistent tolerance and largest flexibility in configuration.

Short Case said:

Is cut rifling really better than button rifling, if so why

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I like PVA's stance on this issue: https://patriotvalleyarms.com/barrels-cut-rifling-vs-button-rifling/ "I" do not think this can be easily quantifiable, esp. for the average end-user. I lean more toward the process owner and the quality of equipment/technology, the material used, and expertise, not the process. I have had both, with positive experience. I have two Lilja barrels (pull button - https://riflebarrels.com/about-lilja-precision-rifle-barrels/) in 3G that are simply a pleasure to shoot, accurate, and hardly foul.

A hummer barrel is a hummer barrel.....it could be cut or buttoned and it could have any manufacturers name on it. That said "I think" cut rifled barrels are more consistent and true to the twist.

Before I started turning barrels I was almost exclusively using Brux. I believed cut was the best. When I got to the point of doing my own work, I started experimenting (needed experience) and I've come to the conclusion…there are good, average and bad barrels. I think some manufacturers processes can produce more good ones say per hundred than the other but todays technology there just aren't many bad barrels.

I used to shoot benchrest (300-600y clays) and in I don't know how many barrels I've only had one bad one…it was a Krieger and I'd buy another one tomorrow.

There are differences in the process but the target don't lie. A lot of short range guys use both barrel types and without zero doubt, those guys are shooting the most accurate stuff in the world…if there was an advantage, they'd all be shooting that barrel and rifling type.

Saying all of that, I ordered 3 Brux's yesterday but I've also ordered Carbon Six within the last month too

I've built hundreds of rifles and have used both from various manufacturers. Attention to detail is what makes a great barrel. I've use Rock, Krieger, Hart, Shilen, Brux, Proof,…as well as others and they'll all out shoot the shooter.

Lazy D said:

I've built hundreds of rifles and have used both from various manufacturers. Attention to detail is what makes a great barrel. I've use Rock, Krieger, Hart, Shilen, Brux, Proof,…as well as others and they'll all out shoot the shooter.

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^^^ This is exactly what I mean by process owners vs. process.^^^

Short Case said:

Is cut rifling really better than button rifling, if so why

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Everybody makes fantastic claims of their secret sauce being bettererer. And not a single one of them ever actually does any testing...

The phrase for that kind of selling, is carpet bagger.