Inherent accuracy for 7MM SAUM vs. 7MM Rem Mag

[bigngreen]

I use a lot of brux barrels. They set a record at 1000 of 1.284 inches. A 6 br modified. Smoke that. Not my gun but the end of the 7 saum argument

A 6 BRA will shoot smaller than a 7 in good conditions, bring the wind and the 7 will crush it.

 

[bigngreen]

have you ever shot them side by side at a 1000??? in a hunting weight rifle not a 40# bench rifle!

Most bench rifles I've been around are 17lbs or less. I've seen a guy try a 7 mag, he built something else.
A LOT of guns will shoot flys at 100 yards but not many will do it at 1000, I've seen three shots in a five shot string touching at 1000 from some of these guns then the group BLOWs up and it still measures 2 inches.

 

[bigngreen]

I have an old browning 7 mag that I loaded with 160 partitions and 70 of R25. ES of 4. Pretty hard tuning

How does it shoot at a 1000 yards?

 

[HARPERC]

.....I use a lot of brux barrels. They set a record at 1000 of 1.284 inches. A 6 br modified. Smoke that. Not my gun but the end of the 7 saum argument........

I'll refer you back to your #81 post. It will never end.

Having owned a pre-war Model 70 in .300 H&H, I'll second your #63 post. I also have a.375 H&H that has turned in some pretty good groups.

Different games, have different rules, which lead to different outcomes. Comparing different platforms, in different games isn't all that useful. Absent a controlled environment I'm not sure how one would test 1000 yard theories.

 

[David Emerson]

As I told before the reason the 7 mag is not in the target bunch is it burns more powder and therefore the barrels will not last as long. So they are not used in F class. As far as not winning there I doubt any have been there. Biased garbage? You are pretty proud of yourself. Ignorant clown? &^%$ you. By the way I am not biased. Competition accuracy is an ongoing endeavor. As far as competition shooting principles are principles. People look for an ongoing advantage. How many records do you own? I do not own any. Men come in and I build what they want built. Most now like the 6,s. And no I have never been to your matches in PA. But that is a small sample size of the whole country.

 

[David Emerson]

How does it shoot at a 1000 yards?

That is a hunting gun. It shot 3/4 inch at a hundred. Not a 1000 gun. Why would you even ask?

 

[David Emerson]

That is a hunting gun. It shot 3/4 inch at a hundred. Not a 1000 gun. Why would you even ask?

Let me see. Built in 1961 wood stock

 

[David Emerson]

Let me see. Built in 1961 wood stock[/

Let me see. Built in 1961 wood stock

As I told before the reason the 7 mag is not in the target bunch is it burns more powder and therefore the barrels will not last as long. So they are not used in F class. As far as not winning there I doubt any have been there. Biased garbage? You are pretty proud of yourself. Ignorant clown? &^%$ you. By the way I am not biased. Competition accuracy is an ongoing endeavor. As far as competition shooting principles are principles. People look for an ongoing advantage. How many records do you own? I do not own any. Men come in and I build what they want built. Most now like the 6,s. And no I have never been to your matches in PA. But that is a small sample size of the whole country.

I stay away from libtard country

 

[David Emerson]

That is a hunting gun. It shot 3/4 inch at a hundred. Not a 1000 gun. Why would you even ask?

The reason I responded is the argument about case design and tuning.

 

[Westernhuntr]

Dang man lighten up a little..
We're all just sharing our experience and opinions.
For LR hunting the 7rm vs 7 saum is a moot point..
The OP was asking for absolute best accuracy potential, not best all around hunting cartridge.
If the saum is slightly more accurate then who cares, no one's saying the 7 RM sucks..

 

[David Emerson]

Dang man lighten up a little..
We're all just sharing our experience and opinions.
For LR hunting the 7rm vs 7 saum is a moot point..
The OP was asking for absolute best accuracy potential, not best all around hunting cartridge.
If the saum is slightly more accurate then who cares, no one's saying the 7 RM sucks..

I agree. When somebody calls me names I get angry.

 

[David Emerson]

In the end volume is volume and pressure is pressure. I like toying with new designs as much as anybody. But when somebody sits on a tall chair and looks down their nose and says ignorant it fires me up. Think about this for a moment. Hornady comes up with the PRC 300. Basically a shorter 300 weatherby that they can run long bullets in a Remington box. Little better throat. Best thing since sliced bread.Really? Is the saum more accurate? The 7 mag is a half inch longer and a little slimmer. You could take either and the throating and chamber would be more important. I will admit that the saum is a better design for target work. Little longer neck. Maybe a better burn. I just bow my back when a keyboard warrior with no recompense talks $#@^.

 

[bigngreen]

If you ever have watched pressure testing in barrels you know volume isn't volume and pressure isn't just pressure, there a lot more going on in there than that. When you can take two of the same cases and change one but keep the volume the same and you see how it changes the pressure curve and burn rate of the same powder and you have to change the load that says something is going on with design more than just volume and pressure!!

 

[Jluck]

https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/7mm-rsaum/


Read that article buddy. Nowhere does it talk about a 7mm rem magnum winning 1000 yard competitions. It shows the 7 SAUM, 300 WSM, and 284 are some of the most accurate cartridges on the market today.

And none of that makes a cartridge accurate, inherent or otherwise... a loaded metallic cartridge sitting in a box CANT be accurate. It can't be anything without a whole bunch of other components and events happening... that's my point. To say a caliber is accurate is ******* retarded.