for my family here in pa,our short range(0-150 yard) treestand deer loads for our 30-06's utilizes handloaded 130 hornady sp bullets. the "standard" load for a 270 win is a 130. my grandpa used them for 20 years or more. handloaded to 3000 fps they perform well on deer. bullets dont pass through. the animal "soaks" up all energy. deer either collapse on spot or run 50 yards before expiring shooting them in lungs. will continue to use them as long as they are avalible. jason