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<blockquote data-quote="VinceMule" data-source="post: 2646964" data-attributes="member: 122164"><p>I owned a 454 Cas. It would be a one-shot deal on a charging bear.</p><p></p><p>Large bones take the weight with speed, plus penetration.</p><p></p><p> Purchase or make or make your own slugs, hard cast with 50/50 wheel weights and linotype. Push the slugs hard with Steel powder or Long Shot powder, AND you will have to break bones or hit the central nervous system on a hard charge. I would opt for at least a 2-shot extension on my mag tube extension on my 12 ga.</p><p></p><p>Most important, PRACTICE with those heavy loads so that the recoil will not surprise you. You may end up getting a different shotgun, adding a Limbsaver recoil pad.</p><p></p><p>Large meplat gets the job done, we learned this on deer and large hogs.</p><p></p><p>Lighter slugs will have the tendency to deflect off of large bones, no getting around the Physics of the specific gravity of Copper vs lead. When copper weighs as much as lead, you may need a faster twist on the shotgun barrel or rifled choke tube.</p><p></p><p>Hand guns, first, it is not practical to carry a hand gun like a 44 Auto Mag, and I had one. 10mm with hard cast pushed hard is a minimum, and a 45 Super would be an option. 44 Mag revolvers are often hard to recover from on the recoil and sight acquisition as I learned hunting hogs and coyotes with them. Second and third shots from 44 Mag revolvers are often nothing more than a Hail Mary. I have had a dozen 44 mags at least, All ruger versions, many smith variants, and Dan Wessons that I shot comp with.</p><p></p><p>Your personal recoil experiences with a shotgun will vary, and since your life is on the line, it will be worth your while to Practice with a few different shotguns. Ithaca 37's just beat my brains out on 1 1/2 oz loads, so much so that I was anticipating the recoil and developed a hard flinch. Went to a 870, and found home sweet home with a Browning BPS. We were hunting coyotes with shotguns with 1 5/8 oz to 2 oz of Buckshot at 1300 fps+, hand loads. Some people that are not used to shooting heavy recoil guns, have one heck of a time managing recoil and sight acquisition on running, trotting coyotes....I cannot stress this fact enough. I would ask them after they had emptied the shotgun at a running coyote at 30 yards where they were aiming, and they said that they had no idea. I then took these good men out, set up gallon milk jugs at 40-15 yards, and had them start on the longest shot, and work their way toward the closest shot, as fast as they could with accuracy. The results were amazing with this practice, but all men gained confidence and/or found they shot a different shotgun better than another due to GUN FIT. Also, large white beade sights or High Vis sights helped tremendously with all of us.</p><p></p><p>The most popular shotguns I had were two Ithaca Auto Mag 10ga, Beretta 390 was second, and the most popular pump was the Browning BpS, in spite of its weight.</p><p></p><p>Most never realize that you may have to lead a charging bear. If you stop your swing, you shoot behind them every time, without exception. So, Practice, and muscle memory is a great thing.</p><p></p><p>You will never forget the experience of hearing a bear's breathing, and grunts, while clacking it's teeth, coming in hard. Don't look at their eyes, you may freeze if you do. </p><p></p><p> I had a retired Navy Captain tell me that that hard-charging black bear I called in was a worse experience than a MIG attack during the Korean War.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VinceMule, post: 2646964, member: 122164"] I owned a 454 Cas. It would be a one-shot deal on a charging bear. Large bones take the weight with speed, plus penetration. Purchase or make or make your own slugs, hard cast with 50/50 wheel weights and linotype. Push the slugs hard with Steel powder or Long Shot powder, AND you will have to break bones or hit the central nervous system on a hard charge. I would opt for at least a 2-shot extension on my mag tube extension on my 12 ga. Most important, PRACTICE with those heavy loads so that the recoil will not surprise you. You may end up getting a different shotgun, adding a Limbsaver recoil pad. Large meplat gets the job done, we learned this on deer and large hogs. Lighter slugs will have the tendency to deflect off of large bones, no getting around the Physics of the specific gravity of Copper vs lead. When copper weighs as much as lead, you may need a faster twist on the shotgun barrel or rifled choke tube. Hand guns, first, it is not practical to carry a hand gun like a 44 Auto Mag, and I had one. 10mm with hard cast pushed hard is a minimum, and a 45 Super would be an option. 44 Mag revolvers are often hard to recover from on the recoil and sight acquisition as I learned hunting hogs and coyotes with them. Second and third shots from 44 Mag revolvers are often nothing more than a Hail Mary. I have had a dozen 44 mags at least, All ruger versions, many smith variants, and Dan Wessons that I shot comp with. Your personal recoil experiences with a shotgun will vary, and since your life is on the line, it will be worth your while to Practice with a few different shotguns. Ithaca 37's just beat my brains out on 1 1/2 oz loads, so much so that I was anticipating the recoil and developed a hard flinch. Went to a 870, and found home sweet home with a Browning BPS. We were hunting coyotes with shotguns with 1 5/8 oz to 2 oz of Buckshot at 1300 fps+, hand loads. Some people that are not used to shooting heavy recoil guns, have one heck of a time managing recoil and sight acquisition on running, trotting coyotes....I cannot stress this fact enough. I would ask them after they had emptied the shotgun at a running coyote at 30 yards where they were aiming, and they said that they had no idea. I then took these good men out, set up gallon milk jugs at 40-15 yards, and had them start on the longest shot, and work their way toward the closest shot, as fast as they could with accuracy. The results were amazing with this practice, but all men gained confidence and/or found they shot a different shotgun better than another due to GUN FIT. Also, large white beade sights or High Vis sights helped tremendously with all of us. The most popular shotguns I had were two Ithaca Auto Mag 10ga, Beretta 390 was second, and the most popular pump was the Browning BpS, in spite of its weight. Most never realize that you may have to lead a charging bear. If you stop your swing, you shoot behind them every time, without exception. So, Practice, and muscle memory is a great thing. You will never forget the experience of hearing a bear's breathing, and grunts, while clacking it's teeth, coming in hard. Don't look at their eyes, you may freeze if you do. I had a retired Navy Captain tell me that that hard-charging black bear I called in was a worse experience than a MIG attack during the Korean War. [/QUOTE]
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