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<blockquote data-quote="Twanger" data-source="post: 716064" data-attributes="member: 43393"><p>I use tape #26, if memory serves. I'd have to check.</p><p></p><p>I have poor close-range vision in low-light. Ranging a deer, reading a table, and setting the HHA to the right number requires the use of reading glasses and takes a HUGE amount of movement and extra time for me... not something I want to do with several deer moving around me at ranges from 30-60 yards.</p><p></p><p>Using the tape on your HHA (instead of Xbow775's method) removes a step in a kill-chain sequence, and that equates to valuable time saved in a dynamic targeting scenario. </p><p></p><p>My experience in the field is that using an external range-finder to range the deer and then set the HHA directly can not even sustain the kill-chain pace required to effectively shoot a deer that is moving around at a walking pace. Now add another step? Fuggetaboudit! You'll never keep up! Not all the time anyway. Maybe some of the time.</p><p></p><p>Conversely, if you are shooting from a bench and punching paper on a nice sunny day - Xbow775's method cannot be beat for accuracy.</p><p></p><p>For deer management I need the Tac15 setup to be approximately correct very quickly, not precisely correct very slowly.</p><p></p><p>This is why I'd pay $1000 for a Burris Eliminator scope that works for the crossbow. It would remove many slow steps from the kill chain and dramatically improve my ability to keep pace with a dynamic targeting situation.</p><p></p><p>Anyhoo... That's my $0.02 after having killed 20 deer this year with the Tac15.</p><p></p><p>Here's the kill-chain with Xbow775's method...</p><p></p><p>1) Detect deer.</p><p>2) Move crossbow into position (slow)</p><p>3) range deer (slow with external range-finder)</p><p>4) look up speed dial setting from range using the table (slow)</p><p>5) Set HHA (slow)</p><p>6) Reacquire deer in scope (slow)</p><p>7) Safety off, aim and shoot</p><p></p><p></p><p>So what are the elements in my HHA kill-chain?</p><p>1) Detect deer.</p><p>2) Move crossbow into position (slow)</p><p>3) range deer (slow with external range-finder. Ideally remove this step by know the range by pre-ranging objects around your stand)</p><p>4) Set HHA (slow)</p><p>5) Reacquire deer in scope (slow)</p><p>6) Safety off, aim and shoot</p><p></p><p>Using the Mil-Dot and pre-ranging trees vs. HHA+rangefinder helps your kill-chain speed... a little</p><p>1) Detect deer.</p><p>2) Move crossbow into position (slow)</p><p>3) estimate range of deer using it's position relative to pre-ranged landmarks (fast)</p><p>4) Reacquire deer in scope & pick Mil-dot for hold-over (medium fast)</p><p>5) Safety off, aim and shoot</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ideally my kill chain with a range-adjusting scope would be: </p><p>1) Detect deer.</p><p>2) Move crossbow into position (slow)</p><p>3) range deer through scope (can be done quickly, continually and dynamically until the deer is where you want it)</p><p>4) Safety off, aim and shoot</p><p></p><p>The ability to keep pace with an evolving scenario is far better with this kill chain. Note how few slow activities are involved, and how one can rapidly and dynamically track the target.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Twanger, post: 716064, member: 43393"] I use tape #26, if memory serves. I'd have to check. I have poor close-range vision in low-light. Ranging a deer, reading a table, and setting the HHA to the right number requires the use of reading glasses and takes a HUGE amount of movement and extra time for me... not something I want to do with several deer moving around me at ranges from 30-60 yards. Using the tape on your HHA (instead of Xbow775's method) removes a step in a kill-chain sequence, and that equates to valuable time saved in a dynamic targeting scenario. My experience in the field is that using an external range-finder to range the deer and then set the HHA directly can not even sustain the kill-chain pace required to effectively shoot a deer that is moving around at a walking pace. Now add another step? Fuggetaboudit! You'll never keep up! Not all the time anyway. Maybe some of the time. Conversely, if you are shooting from a bench and punching paper on a nice sunny day - Xbow775's method cannot be beat for accuracy. For deer management I need the Tac15 setup to be approximately correct very quickly, not precisely correct very slowly. This is why I'd pay $1000 for a Burris Eliminator scope that works for the crossbow. It would remove many slow steps from the kill chain and dramatically improve my ability to keep pace with a dynamic targeting situation. Anyhoo... That's my $0.02 after having killed 20 deer this year with the Tac15. Here's the kill-chain with Xbow775's method... 1) Detect deer. 2) Move crossbow into position (slow) 3) range deer (slow with external range-finder) 4) look up speed dial setting from range using the table (slow) 5) Set HHA (slow) 6) Reacquire deer in scope (slow) 7) Safety off, aim and shoot So what are the elements in my HHA kill-chain? 1) Detect deer. 2) Move crossbow into position (slow) 3) range deer (slow with external range-finder. Ideally remove this step by know the range by pre-ranging objects around your stand) 4) Set HHA (slow) 5) Reacquire deer in scope (slow) 6) Safety off, aim and shoot Using the Mil-Dot and pre-ranging trees vs. HHA+rangefinder helps your kill-chain speed... a little 1) Detect deer. 2) Move crossbow into position (slow) 3) estimate range of deer using it's position relative to pre-ranged landmarks (fast) 4) Reacquire deer in scope & pick Mil-dot for hold-over (medium fast) 5) Safety off, aim and shoot Ideally my kill chain with a range-adjusting scope would be: 1) Detect deer. 2) Move crossbow into position (slow) 3) range deer through scope (can be done quickly, continually and dynamically until the deer is where you want it) 4) Safety off, aim and shoot The ability to keep pace with an evolving scenario is far better with this kill chain. Note how few slow activities are involved, and how one can rapidly and dynamically track the target. [/QUOTE]
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