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Whitetail POI...... What’s your intended Target?
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<blockquote data-quote="StumpGrinder" data-source="post: 2127197" data-attributes="member: 114832"><p>Wow, that was a loong response so I'll try to be short. I have averaged 4 to 6 deer per year for the past 30 years. That's a lot of deer, I think that qualifies that I know how to kill deer. Some of the places I hunt are very small with problem deer doing damage to gardens. It is only 1 acre and there are houses all around. Blasting away with a 300 wm or the like would cause undue concern with the neighbors. As would a wounded deer running through their yards. Therefore the 22lr with 50 yard or less head shots are the reasonable choice. As for the power of the 22lr and bullet choice, I use CCI Standard velocity which is subsonic in the above example. After North Carolina removed all caliber restrictions I watched many balistic gel video's showing a 22lr round point of 40 to 45 grains tumbles with in 2" to 4" of hitting the gel and penetration is 14 or more inches. The first deer I took with 22lr was 5 years ago facing me at 75 yards. I was in a tall stand, the bullet went through the heart and out the sternum. The deer walked 20 yards. The second deer was standing broadside at 40 yards, I put the bullet right through the ribcage both sides. I was carefull not to hit major boones. The fork horn walked 20 yards and laid down. Now our deer are smaller than the Kansas and Northern strain. They are the Virginia strain, and I purposely shoot smaller bucks and does. I hunt for meat not horns!!! The lunges looked like the had been hit with a hollow point. Watch the videos, when a bullet tumbles in tissue it is traumatic!!! Because the 22lr subsonic doesn't spook the deer they don't run off. Thu usually just walk around a little and then lay down. I have killed many since then and one of my hunting buddies is the head Wildlife Enforcement officer in my area. He has also taken deer with 22lr. As to loosing game the point was if I or anyone else looses game it is the hunters fault not that of the gun or caliber. Ask your Wildlife agency what the poachers in your are are using. I'll bet 22lr tops the list!!! Why??? Because they are quiet and effective!!! So much for keeping it short.<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😏" title="Smirking face :smirk:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60f.png" data-shortname=":smirk:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StumpGrinder, post: 2127197, member: 114832"] Wow, that was a loong response so I'll try to be short. I have averaged 4 to 6 deer per year for the past 30 years. That's a lot of deer, I think that qualifies that I know how to kill deer. Some of the places I hunt are very small with problem deer doing damage to gardens. It is only 1 acre and there are houses all around. Blasting away with a 300 wm or the like would cause undue concern with the neighbors. As would a wounded deer running through their yards. Therefore the 22lr with 50 yard or less head shots are the reasonable choice. As for the power of the 22lr and bullet choice, I use CCI Standard velocity which is subsonic in the above example. After North Carolina removed all caliber restrictions I watched many balistic gel video's showing a 22lr round point of 40 to 45 grains tumbles with in 2" to 4" of hitting the gel and penetration is 14 or more inches. The first deer I took with 22lr was 5 years ago facing me at 75 yards. I was in a tall stand, the bullet went through the heart and out the sternum. The deer walked 20 yards. The second deer was standing broadside at 40 yards, I put the bullet right through the ribcage both sides. I was carefull not to hit major boones. The fork horn walked 20 yards and laid down. Now our deer are smaller than the Kansas and Northern strain. They are the Virginia strain, and I purposely shoot smaller bucks and does. I hunt for meat not horns!!! The lunges looked like the had been hit with a hollow point. Watch the videos, when a bullet tumbles in tissue it is traumatic!!! Because the 22lr subsonic doesn't spook the deer they don't run off. Thu usually just walk around a little and then lay down. I have killed many since then and one of my hunting buddies is the head Wildlife Enforcement officer in my area. He has also taken deer with 22lr. As to loosing game the point was if I or anyone else looses game it is the hunters fault not that of the gun or caliber. Ask your Wildlife agency what the poachers in your are are using. I'll bet 22lr tops the list!!! Why??? Because they are quiet and effective!!! So much for keeping it short.😏 [/QUOTE]
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