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What would you do if someone at the range called you crazy and full of $h!t

ss7mm

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Went out this morning to take a run up in the sagebrush to see how well it's dried out. The snow has melted off down low and it hasn't rained in a while so I thought I'd take a run up where I sometimes shoot long range to see how the roads are doing. Mud is a big problem this time of year.

There is a public range/shooting area down pretty low on the way in. I almost never shoot there and usually don't even stop by late in the year because of the "crazies" doing their last minute thing just before hunting season. I hadn't been in there since last summer but this morning I got in there early and figured I drop over the edge and take a peek at the range. You never know when some dummy will leave $50.00 worth of new brass laying around. The range at one time had 4 benches made of concrete but the "crazies" have destroyed them almost completely.

No body there and no brass but……I'd heard that someone had packed some steel out across the bottom and that it was waaaaay out there. Being curious about what their definition of "waaaaay out there" was, I did a little glassing with the "big eyes" and spotted it. They had set it up to be within 500 yards of another spot up the road but the gov. guys have been fixing the fences and they can't shoot up there any more. From the "range" where I was sitting I ranged it at 829 yards with the Swarovski.

Since nobody was there and it was early on a Monday morning I figured I had time to pop off a couple of rounds in peace and quiet.

I had my portable bench in the back of the truck and since the ground was a little muddy I got the bench out, set up the 7mm AM on the bipod and was getting ready to shoot at the steel.

Just then a "crazie" popped over the ridge and drove down to the range and parked his pickup truck. I almost packed up and left but he was sitting over at the far end so I proceeded to line up and get ready for the shot. Then, just as my luck usually runs, the 'ol pickup starts up and he drove over by my truck. Not paying much mind to what I was doing or what I wanted to do, he hops out and starts jabbering about shooting in general.

This is a range area where most of the "crazies" set up just about anything they can pack out there for targets, shoot it up and leave it. Most of the "junk" is at 100 yards or less. I was set up over the left edge of the range and the "crazie" asked me why I had the "new fangled" gun of mine aimed so high just to hit the "targets" piled up at about 100 yards.

I told him I wasn't shooting at the 100 yard stuff, but at steel at a range of 829 yards over where the ridge starts to rise across the little valley. That produced a round of cussing and assorted expletives that pretty plainly informed me that I was not only crazy but a liar. First he said there's no steel and second he said if there was something over there nobody could hit it and that I was full of $h!t.

Since the "big eyes" were still there on the tripod straight behind the bench, I told him to take a look. He did look and, low and behold, he then said he could see the plate in the sagebrush. He conceded that there was really a steel plate over there but that he still knew it couldn't be hit from where we were.

Well, seeing as how he had called me a liar etc. etc. I told him to watch through the "big eyes" which were directly behind me and that we'd see how close I could come.

It was a cold bore shot but I had all the data I needed and there was zero wind. I went through the procedure with the Kestrel and GPS, input the data into the Palm and had my necessary elevation needed. He was watching this but didn't say anything. I kind of got the feeling that he was the kind of guy that never had set or used his VCR and that the date was still flashing, if you know what I mean.

Then I dialed the elevation turret and he started in jabbering again. Said something about if I had such a fancy gun, why did I have to adjust the scope just to shoot it. I took a little time to explain the hows and whys and then I told him to just keep looking through the big eyes.

The steel was about 12"-14" square and angled slightly to the left and after the obligatory delay both of us saw the lead splat from the 200 grain Wildcat and then after the slight delay we heard the bong of the steel. You could clearly see the impact about ½" high and about 1"-1.5" to the right of center. Kind of nice shooting at a virgin piece of steel that was painted and waiting.

I slipped the ear plugs off, racked the bolt, caught the empty, put it in the MTM box, took the bolt out and layed it on the bench beside the rifle and stood up.

My first inclination was to tell him what I thought of his initial statements about me and the gun and then I was inclined to tell him what I thought of him, but for some reason I just stopped, stood there and looked at him.

After a few seconds he cut loose with some more choice words, stuck out his hand and said he'd better be hungry because he was having to eat his words.

That broke the tension and we ended up talking for about another half hour about hunting, shooting, guns and especially the long range stuff. He was genuinely interested but said he was too old and set in his ways to start into something new and would just stick to his 'ol 308 and his "brush hunting".

After talking to him I realized he wasn't really anything but just a little rough around the edges, spoke his mind and didn't really care what anybody thought. I asked him if he wanted to try a shot and he declined. I touched off one more round, we saw it splat about 1" high and right on for left and right.

I loaded everything up and headed on up the road farther into the sagebrush and as I drove up the slight incline up and out of the range area I looked in the rear view mirror and saw him at what was left of one of the concrete benches with his 308, leaning over the bench, and he was looking through the scope. I couldn't tell if he was looking at the 100 yard stuff or if he was trying to look at the steel across the valley but whichever it was I hope he had fun popping off a few rounds. I'll bet he tried at least one shot at the steel across the valley.;)

When I came out a couple of hours later I didn't even bother driving over the edge and down to the range but I kind of thought about the 'ol guy and how his 308 had shot for him. I kind of hope he rang the steel.gun)
 
That's a great story, thanks for sharing. Don't know that I would have had the wisdom to keep my mouth shut like you did;). More power to you, sounds like you won another person over to our side, even he never gets into the sport.

Great write-up and great way to handle the situtation.

Brian
 
I can't say that he was "won over to our side" but I can say that he now knows what can be done.

I've been told that any rounds fired for advertising or good will don't count against barrel round count.:rolleyes:

I have an ex-brother in law like this guy. Had a mouth that would gag a maggot but he'd also do anything for you and give you the shirt off his back. You just had to get past his jibber jabbering BS.:)

It's easy to get mad, it's much harder to remain calm and ride it out but I find that as the years add up it's getting easier to give just about anybody the benefit of the doubt. You never know when you'll find a nugget amongst the rubble.;)
 
Been there. Good job, show'em what can be done. It's funner with a little presure anyways. And that was some mighty fine shooting.
 
I get that same attitude alot down here in the south where their is rarely any long range shooting areas , you mention shooting to 1000yds and people strait out say your full of bull. Its fun to make bets and put the money where the mouth is. I have done it several time shooting against guys with big mags up against my 308 out past 300yds they loose it.

I look at it like ignorance is bliss and some folks are to close minded to argue with , kinda like women , just nod your head and agree and go about your way
 
Good story and good shooting:) The problem is ignorance....maybe through no fault of thier own. I was in that same crowd less than 2 years ago. I even looked at some of the posts here as suspect until I had a chance to try it. Boy that was a mistake.......now I cant quit trying it. Went so far as to build a range in my backyard and am now building a reloading room with 2 concrete benches so I can shoot indoors when the weather isnt nice.
I kinda like being the guy that people think is a nut. I have enlightened a bunch of folks around here recently. All it takes is hitting the 800 yard gong once and they are believers. I let them shoot one of my guns, then to prove it isnt a fluke I usually shoot a group on the 700 yard target with thier gun. Doesnt take but a minute to make a believer out of them.
 
Good job and well told.

I think part of the problem is perception. People, my previous self included, figure if they can estimate what 100 yards looks like then they should be able to estimate what 1000 yards looks like. Its just not something people encounter often enough for the brain to fully comprehend.

When I went to my first 1000 yard shoot last year it really put things in perspective.

"Wow, that is what a 1000 yards looks like. Double wow, that is what a target at 1000 yards looks like. Triple wow, these guys are nailing it with no optics and no supports!"

If you have no exposure to it, either the distance or the act of conquering that distance, the brain can only make stuff up.
 
I rarely care what someone else thinks of me. I have to at least respect them before I care at all. If I don't care, why should I get angry at mouthy crazies? Never understand why some folks get angry when strangers or known idiots get disrepectful, what difference does it make when a fool vents his immature ignorance? Most of the time it makes no more of an impression on me than hearing a foul mouthed five year old pop off.

I'd have just laffed and gone on about my business. Meaning, you handled it better than I would have.
 
Good job and well told.

I think part of the problem is perception. People, my previous self included, figure if they can estimate what 100 yards looks like then they should be able to estimate what 1000 yards looks like. Its just not something people encounter often enough for the brain to fully comprehend.

When I went to my first 1000 yard shoot last year it really put things in perspective.

"Wow, that is what a 1000 yards looks like. Double wow, that is what a target at 1000 yards looks like. Triple wow, these guys are nailing it with no optics and no supports!"

If you have no exposure to it, either the distance or the act of conquering that distance, the brain can only make stuff up.
Right on. I've seen it many times. The "average" hunter has no concept of what 1000 yards is, or even what 500 yards is.

Last year during deer season my buddy and I had set up along side an old 4 wheel drive road where we could see one full side and all of the bottom of the head of a large canyon. Shots from this spot can be ranged from about 200 yards out to as much as 1800 yards.

About 10:00 a.m. we were having a cup of coffee and just talking when a couple of guys in a jeep came around the head of the canyon and then ended up going by us to get out.

They stopped to talk and we asked them if they had seen anything and they said there were no deer anywhere around and they were heading for town. We had the big eyes as well as a spotting scope set up and had 2 pairs of binoculars out also. I told them there were 8 deer in plain sight in the canyon right in front of them. This got them a little excited but then after a few seconds they paused and said we were full of it cause they hadn't seen anything.

I then told them there were 2 small bucks and 6 does in plain sight and asked them if they wanted me to show them. They jokingly said "sure, show us" in a tone that said I couldn't produce any deer.

Using their binoculars I showed them the deer and they couldn't believe it. They thought they were legal and were going to dive off into the canyon from the other side and see if they could shoot one. I told them to hold on and look through the spotting scope. Even though the 2 small bucks were nice sized 2 points, through the spotting scope they could see that neither one had the mandatory third point to be legal.

One of them asked us what we would have done to get closer if one had been legal. I told them that if one was legal that we'd kill if from where we were set up. This brought out their sarcastic laughing side again because they said the 2 bucks had to be at least 800 yards away.

Never one to miss a chance :) I got the Swarovski range finder out and proved that one was 414 yards and the other was 462 yards away.

This then lead to a short discussion about what deer look like at a distance and what a real, known range, was when it got beyond 100 yards. After a short discussion about our guns and the capabilities we had they just drove on down the road.

I doubt they will ever invest in good glass or a good rangefinder and I also believe the deer herd is safe from them unless one walks out on a road and just stands there.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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