I don't consider myself a hater as they have a place. I would consider myself more of a Vortex None truster. Every single one I have helped people with has had issues. I had one and that was the first and last I would ever have. Yes they have great warranty and that is there only selling point. I also don't trust Leupold with Tracking and holding zero. Just like other companies have a lemon now and then, Vortex may actually produce a scope that can hold up every now and then. Almost all the better scope companies have a no questions asked warranty and great service. You just don't have to hear about them as often because they don't get used much. I can even add Burris to that list but that doesn't mean I will be trusting their product again. To each their own, and what works best For some doesn't work for others. From what I have seen I just like to try and help people make the most of their hard earned money and not have regrets. My 2 cents