US869 Data

[bailey1474]

I called Hodgdon today and they emailed me this data. Sorry if it's hard to read. I couldn't get the same format on here as my email had. Hopefully Lerch and I will have a little to test out next week /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif!!!!


Hodgdon Powder Company 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Remington Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1.9.5" Trim Length:  2.840"
Primer:  REMINGTON 9 1/2M
7mm Remington Ultra Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
130 GR. BAR XBT  US 869  .284"  3.560"  105.0  3285  57,300 PSI  108.3  3405  63,800 PSI 
140 GR. BAR XBT  US 869  .284"  3.560"  102.0  3162  56,400 PSI  104.7  3275  62,400 PSI 
145 GR. SPR GSSP  US 869  .284"  3.580"  103.0  3172  56,600 PSI  106.0  3270  61,100 PSI 
150 GR. SFT SCIR  US 869  .284"  3.600"  102.0  3137  58,800 PSI  104.5  3226  63,200 PSI 
154 GR. HDY SP  US 869  .284"  3.630"  101.8  3060  56,400 PSI  104.5  3211  62,800 PSI 
160 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .284"  3.600"  97.0  2928  50,400 PSI  103.0  3192  62,900 PSI 
162 GR. HDY SPBT  US 869  .284"  3.650"  100.5  3075  58,700 PSI  103.5  3173  62,800 PSI 
168 GR. SIE HPBT  US 869  .284"  3.650"  96.0  2899  53,100 PSI  101.5  3089  61,900 PSI 
175 GR. SFT SP  US 869  .284"  3.600"  95.0  2851  51,800 PSI  102.0  3077  63,000 PSI 

Hodgdon Powder Company 300 Remington Ultra Mag
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Remington Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1:10" Trim Length:  2.840"
Primer:  Remington 9 1/2M
300 Remington Ultra Mag Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
180 GR. SPR SPBT  US 869  .308"  3.530"  104.0  2994  53,800 PSI  107.0  3070  57,300 PSI 
190 GR. HDY SPBT  US 869  .308"  3.555"  100.0  2905  52,600 PSI  104.0  3035  59,200 PSI 
200 GR. BAR XFB  US 869  .308"  3.555"  96.0  2834  58,000 PSI  100.0  2919  61,800 PSI 
220 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .308"  3.530"  97.0  2758  49,500 PSI  101.0  2875  55,200 PSI 


Hodgdon Powder Company 300 Winchester Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Winchester Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1:10" Trim Length:  2.610"
Primer:  WINCHESTER LR
300 Winchester Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
180 GR. SPR MT-SP  US 869  .308"  3.285"  86.0  2824  52,500 PSI  88.0  2892  56,800 PSI 
200 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .308"  3.340"  83.0  2657  49,200 PSI  85.0  2712  51,800 PSI 
220 GR. SIE RN  US 869  .308"  3.340"  82.0  2578  49,500 PSI  84.9  2661  54,400 PSI 


Hodgdon Powder Company 30-378 Weatherby
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Weatherby Barrel Length:  26"
Twist:  1:10" Trim Length:  2.903"
Primer:  FEDERAL 215 M
30-378 Weatherby Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
165 GR. SFT SP  US 869  .308"  3.600"  121.0  3325  41,100 CUP  123.5  3423  47,800 CUP 
180 GR. SPR SPBT  US 869  .308"  3.600"  115.0  3101  40,800 CUP  120.0  3302  47,100 CUP 
190 GR. HDY SPBT  US 869  .308"  3.625"  115.0  3146  44,100 CUP  120.0  3331  49,800 CUP 
200 GR. BAR XFB  US 869  .308"  3.645"  115.0  3134  49,800 CUP  118.0  3206  52,500 CUP 
220 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .308"  3.600"  114.5  3068  49,500 CUP  117.0  3134  51,400 CUP 


Hodgdon Powder Company 338 Lapua Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Norma Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1:9" Trim Length:  2.714"
Primer:  Federal 215M
338 Lapua Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
250 GR. HDY SP  US 869  .338"  3.550"  101.5  2728  47,000 CUP  108.0  2879  51,100 CUP 
275 GR. SFT SP  US 869  .338"  3.460"  99.0  2636  46,200 CUP  104.5  2761  52,200 CUP 
300 GR. SIE HPBT  US 869  .338"  3.600"  98.5  2567  47,500 CUP  104.0  2677  51,500 CUP 


Hodgdon Powder Company 338 Remington Ultra Mag
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Remington Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1:10" Trim Length:  2.750"
Primer:  REMINGTON 9 1/2M
338 Remington Ultra Mag Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
250 GR. HDY SP  US 869  .338"  3.580"  100.0  2658  51,300 PSI  104.0  2751  56,200 PSI 
275 GR. SFT SP  US 869  .338"  3.490"  96.0  2525  50,700 PSI  102.0  2698  60,600 PSI 
300 GR. SIE HPBT  US 869  .338"  3.580"  96.0  2455  49,500 PSI  101.0  2595  57,000 PSI 


Hodgdon Powder Company 338-378 Weatherby Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Weatherby Barrel Length:  26"
Twist:  1:10" Trim Length:  2.903"
Primer:  FEDERAL 215M
338-378 Weatherby Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
250 GR. HDY SP  US 869  .338"  3.660"  116.0  2806  40,900 CUP  123.0  3000  48,400 CUP 
275 GR. SFT SP  US 869  .338"  3.640"  113.0  2749  44,000 CUP  120.0  2904  49,700 CUP 
300 GR. SIE HPBT  US 869  .338"  3.750"  108.0  2598  41,800 CUP  115.0  2782  48,700 CUP 


Hodgdon Powder Company 50 Browning Machine Gun
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  FNB Barrel Length:  45"
Twist:  1:16.5" Trim Length:  3.900"
Primer:  CCI 35
50 Browning Machine Gun Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
650 GR. M-33  US 869  .510"  5.425"  265.0  3155 
750 GR. HDY A-MAX  US 869  .510"  5.450"  250.0  2944 
800 GR. BAR SOLID  US 869  .510"  5.630"  250.0  2895 


Hodgdon Powder Company 7mm Shooting Times Westerner
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Federal Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1:10" Trim Length:  2.840"
Primer:  FEDERAL 215
7mm Shooting Times Westerner Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
145 GR. SPR SP  US 869  .284"  3.565"  86.0  3055  48,300 CUP  91.0  3209  52,900 CUP 
150 GR. BAR XFB  US 869  .284"  3.585"  83.0  2893  41,600 CUP  88.0  3045  50,700 CUP 
160 GR. SFT SP  US 869  .284"  3.565"  85.0  2922  46,400 CUP  90.0  3041  50,800 CUP 
175 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .284"  3.585"  84.0  2908  50,100 CUP  88.0  3020  53,200 CUP 


Hodgdon Powder Company 7mm Remington Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type:  Rifle Powder:  US 869
Cartridge Information
Case:  Winchester Barrel Length:  24"
Twist:  1:9.5" Trim Length:  2.490"
Primer:  WINCHESTER LR
7mm Remington Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
160 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .284"  3.290"  77.0  2786  52,300 PSI  80.0  2897  58,300 PSI 
162 GR. HDY SPBT  US 869  .284"  3.290"  77.0  2820  49,800 PSI  80.0  2921  54,400 PSI 
170 GR. SIE RN  US 869  .284"  3.270"  77.0  2688  44,700 PSI  79.0  2826  51,300 PSI 
175 GR. NOS PART  US 869  .284"  3.290"  74.0  2632  49,300 PSI  77.0  2758  56,200 PSI 

 

[royinidaho]

Well Bill, those numbers look pretty disappointing except for the 50 BMG /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Turns the 7s into 270 Wins with the 140s same with the 338 RUM gets it down to the 338 Win velocity.

Wonder if a little more could be used. Usually Hodgon is pretty conservative.....

Do you think it will match 872 in your AM?

Thanks for the extra effort and the informative post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[bailey1474]

I don't know if it will or not. I would give up 100-150fps to get temp. stability. There can be as much as 100fps difference in our 270 AMs using the 872 from summer to now. We would even notice a differnce from the cool morning to warm afternoons as far as primer flow and extraction.

 

[Buffalobob]

Checking the Sierra manual for the really huge case 30-378wby with the really heavy bullets it is giving as good or better velocities than the old H870.

Hopefully this is a big case, heavy bullet, long barrel powder

 

[Jon A]

I don't understand why the stopped at such low pressures for so many cartridges. If you look at the 300 RUM data, except for the 200 grain load (using that bullet it's worthless data anyway), those are starting load pressures.

The best example is the 220 grain load. From their current manual:

Starting load for H870: 101 grains, 2818 fps, 54,800 psi.

Max load for US869: 101 grains, 2875, 55,200 psi.

The good news is it looks like in this round with heavy bullets the same powdercharge results in basically the same pressure but nearly 60 fps more velocity.

Looks like it has potential to me. The only question is why they stopped at 101 grains--it certainly wasn't because of pressure. I have a hard time believing they couldn't fit more than 101 grains of ball powder into the case....

Oh well, if it's as accurate and consistent as H870 was and is really temperature stable, I'd be happy if it can just come fairly close to the velocities H870 provided as nothing I've found that satisfies the above can.

So if you look closely enough at the data, I think it looks pretty promising. Also, except for the Weatherbys and BMG, all those are from a 24" barrel.

 

[mrultramag]

Did Hodgdon give any clue as to when dealers will have this powder on shelves? Seems I read Jan 06 somewhere here. Would like to try it in the 7 rum as I am recently wanting to try some new loads for it. Looks like it should fill the case up pretty good.

 

[bailey1474]

I don't know when dealers will have. Hodgdon has it now, they just don't have the packaging yet. I would guess sometime between Jan and March.

 

[royinidaho]

Someone try this powder in something like a 22-243AI w/heavier bullets and let me know how it pans out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Am I cheap or what? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[Guest]

Roy,
I would be willing to say that it's too slow for that cartridge. I use H4350, H4831 and RL22 in my friends rifle that I load for. We're shooting the 75gr A-MAX mostly but are going to try the 80gr SMK.
Wayne aka WAMBO

 

[royinidaho]

Wayne,

I'm thinking 100gr bullets....

 

[Guest]

Now that sounds interesting!