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Trying to get over 3000 fps for 300 WM and 180 grain Accubond

Put 2900 and 3000 FPS in your calculator. Difference is probably less than 100 yards before the bullet fails to properly function. Is it worth all the extra...IDK. Take accuracy over velocity.

If you want a screamer, go with a light mono.

FWIW, I have a load with a 178gr mono going 3250 ish FPS with RL16. BC is not wonderful, but it would hang with what you are loading.
 
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I don't personally understand the need for speed pursuit....never will....guess that comes from being old! Never understood getting Old either.... Accuracy, Accuracy Accuracy....is what kills, and for me Barrel life is an added bonus.....just me
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I don't personally understand the need for speed pursuit....never will....guess that comes from being old! Never understood getting Old either.... Accuracy, Accuracy Accuracy....is what kills, and for me Barrel life is an added bonus.....just me

Well, I guess we could all go back to using 30-30's and 30-40 Krags. The old 25-20 could replace the 25-06 and 257 Wby, no need for 357 and 44 mags when 38 and 44 Specials will do, and in the process, we could eliminate all rifle magnums and maybe cease cartridge and powder developments around 1940 or so. ;)
 
Well, I guess we could all go back to using 30-30's and 30-40 Krags. The old 25-20 could replace the 25-06 and 257 Wby, no need for 357 and 44 mags when 38 and 44 Specials will do, and in the process, we could eliminate all rifle magnums and maybe cease cartridge and powder developments around 1940 or so. ;)
Not thinking that far back Great grandad!!!😊
 
RL-26 can be found. I was burning this and IMR 8133 like there was no tomorrow until I only had 6lbs of each left....then I went to order more and this. I seen an 8lb container sell for $1600. If I could ship powder I'd be a rich man, Lol.

If you'd like more speed you should try a bullet with less bearing surface. I can launch a 240 SMK out of my 26" barrel 300 PRC with 81gr N570 at 2780. I can launch a 245 Berger EOL from the same brass and powder charge at 2940...one is long and pointy and 5 grains heavier, one is short and squat... bearing surface matters. Or if you can miracle up some RL-26...that's some magical business.
 

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Well, I guess we could all go back to using 30-30's and 30-40 Krags. The old 25-20 could replace the 25-06 and 257 Wby, no need for 357 and 44 mags when 38 and 44 Specials will do, and in the process, we could eliminate all rifle magnums and maybe cease cartridge and powder developments around 1940 or so. ;)
Why stop there. I'll use a club.
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I don't think 3K fps is a reasonable expectation for your Tikka considering you want to load from the magazine with a max COAL of <3.400". Here is Nosler's specs for Trophy Grade 300WM, 180 AB, 24" barrel, at 3.330" COAL and from what I've seen Nosler tends to load their factory ammo a bit on the hot side more than other factory brands.
VELOCITY (FPS)
ENERGY (FT-LBS)
Muzzle100200300400500600700800
295027632585241322482089193717931656
Muzzle100200300400500600700800
347730522671232820201745150012841096
I would pick up a box of this ammo to compare with your results and I would bet you'll see velocities in the low 2900s similar to your handloads.
Here is and example pulled from a LRH post that even if you do achieve the 3k goal you might not have and in my opinion most likely will loose any useful accuracy nodes

"In my Remington 700 LR .300 win mag with a 26" 1:10 twist factory barrel, I was getting 1/2moa or better today. Base to tip measured 3.550" with Nosler brass, Fed 215, 78.8 grains of H1000 and the 180 grain Accubond. Avg velocity today was 2963 fps. It was about 71 degrees outside in Dallas, TX- not sure of elevation, but probably between 700-750ft above sea level. Chrono used was a Magneto Speed v3."

No signs of pressure, and I can hear the powder in the case if I shake the loaded rounds. I'm sure I could load hotter, but after 79 grains the other day the groups started to open up, so I'm hesitant to do so. Part of me thinks I may even dial it back to 78.6 grains- that was showing slightly tighter groups than what I got today with 78.8"

He is working with 1.6" more barrel than you (the Tikka barrels are 24.4") and struggling to reach 3K fps.
What I also garner from this is he's seeing a nice accuracy node with 78.8gr at the high end so he's thinking about sacrificing some velocity (not much) to position the load in the middle of the accuracy node. In doing so accuracy issues related to brass prep inconsistencies and throat erosion will be mitigated to a degree.
He later posted after the barrel had 100+ rounds through it he was seeing 3035fps with the same load. The main difference in his load vs yours is 3.335 vs 3.550" COAL he is loading 215 thou longer with the 180AB. He is able to do this because the Rem 700 rifles have a magazine that will take ~3.6XX" max COAL and they tend to have ample freebore.
I guess my rambling point here is I find velocity in terms of importance in the creation of KE is very important. Ultimately, a balanced must be struck with the goal of having consistently accurate rounds and sufficiently deadly rounds for the size of game being pursued. If you can't hit it where you need to you can't efficiently kill it no matter the down range energy so sacrificing a small amount of velocity is sometimes necessary.

Case in point I found very interesting is the 300WM load developed for the military named MK 248 MOD 1 found here:
https://usarmorment.com/pdf/300WM_load data.pdf
Some notable features of this round are:
COAL 3.500"
Velocity: 2850 +/- 50fps
MAP: 71,500 psi (9100 psi more than SAAMI MAP)
Bullet: 220 SMK
Powder: H1000
Primer: Large rifle not Magnum
Maximum effective range: 1,200yds
First thing that jumps out at me is they certainly aren't thinking about brass life and the SAAMI MAP spec. is very conservative. Second, they are prioritizing impacts over lethality which means accuracy over downrange KE. I'm not saying this is a non-lethal round at it's designated effective range on human size targets because it is. In this case the balance is skewed toward consistent impacts not kills. Third, the whole Large rifle Magnum primer thing maybe nothing but a marketing ploy.

Anyway, One thing is abundantly clear from this I obviously have way to much free time on my hands!
 
3k is pretty easy with 180s. I'm using a faster burn rate powder but my 180s are doing about 3050 on 24s, and 3100 with 26s. In my opinion, the super slow powders are not the right fit. I have buddies that run 4350 burn rates for the win mag.
My general rule of thumb, if the case volume is maxed out, and you're compressed and velocity is too low, speed up the powder burn rate and try again.
 
I have been working on an elk load for my 300 Win Mag. I have chosen to shoot either a Nosler Accubond or Barnes TTSX, both in 180 grain. I have worked with H-1000, but even a compressed load gets me to the low 2900 fps range. I have been thinking of trying RL-19, but havent found powder Min-Max amounts yet. Does anyone have those powder numbers or another powder I could try to get over 3000fps? Thanks for any help. I appreciate it.
H4831 SC will deliver one down range over 3000. Mine used to crono at 3070.
 
Federal blue box 180's ran 2950 out of one of my 300WM with a 24" barrel, temp in the 60's. That is the only factory ammo I have ever bought in 300, 14 of them still in the box from 5 years ago.

Magnum primers are a thing, back your load down 3-4 grains if you switch from standard to magnum primers and work back up, I don't have my notes with me but I remember with RL26 I was down something around a grain and a half from the standard primer load when I hit the same speeds and pressure indications.
 
Some guys are saying v570 for your needs. I'm thinking it's a bit slow for some barrels; I'm getting 2600 fps with v570 and a 200 eld-x out of 1 of my 300 win rifles. I haven't chrono's the others with it yet.
As to a 180 at 3100 fps from a 24" 300win, I'd look at rl22 (hard to get right now), 7828sc, v560, or Ramshot Magnum... possibly v565 or h4831. rl25 and Retumbo are gonna be compressed and may be fast in one rifle and spiky pressure wise in another (I'm seeing that with Retumbo right now with 180 hdy pills. my Browning likes the load- I'm getting shiners with my kid's Savage Impulse)
The 4350 class powders are too fast to reliably push heavies from a 300win at that speed (they may get close and be accurate, but you are probably going over pressure to do it).. your recoil will also be worse than a bit slower powder... I've burned a good bit of 4350 in 300win rifles and I don't do it anymore.
If you go much slower than rl25 you aren't going to get enough pressure head to do it, especially in a slower barrel.
I've ran h1000 through a few 300 win and 7stw rifles; I gave up on it 25 years ago and went with the reloader series. H4831 (not sc) may well get you there if you are dead set on a temp. stable powder. I ran sc and the regular long cut through one of my older 300win rifles and the regular beat the sc by 150 fps and was more accurate too.
 
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