I'm looking for a new o&u 12ga trap gun. I would really like to stay round $1000. The gun I'm mainly looking at is a cz woodcock. The question I have about it is does anyone know if the it has an auto safety where the safety goes back on after opening and closing the action? I also am looking at a stoeger condor competion. Probably wont get one because it has an automatic safety but it does have all the extra bells and whistles like adjustable comb and ported barrels.
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MT4XFore
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MOA, The CZ woodcock is a hunting shotgun, not a competition gun. As such, it will have an automatic safety rather than a manual one. It will also have much too much drop at the comb for trap. Ideally you need a straighter (higher) stock for trap so you can keep the rising bird in sight when shooting. Personally I find it much easier to hunt with a trap gun than to shoot trap with a field gun. You will probably have to find a competition gun to find a manual safety. Hope this helps.
tnshooter111
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You will have a hard time finding a NEW O&U TRAP gun for 1000 buck thats any count. closer to 2000 you can find a good quality O&U trap gun. If your budget is 1000 I would suggest a Beretta 391.
I currently shoot a Kolar combo 34 unsingle and a 32 O&U.
About the only break open shotgun worth a darn in the $1000 area is a nice used Browning BT99. Other than that I would look at either the Rem 1100 trap, Rem 870 Trap or a Beretta AL391 trap although the later will usually be a higher price than $1000.
I have used my Browning 425 Sporting for trap on occasion but with the flat rib it gets to be a bit tough and you really have to stack your beads to make it work.
Most field guns shoot 50/50 or 50% above the line of sight and 50% below. A trap gun on the average will shot 70/30 or 70% above and 30% below so that you always have the clay in sight on a rising clay and unless your a really slow shooter and are shooting on the way down the 70/30 is what you need. That or take them right out of the house with a flat rib.
There are a lot of guns out that that will work for you but the Auto/pumps will be in the price range your talking of and will work great until you get good enough or interested enough to move up in price.
I have used my Browning 425 Sporting for trap on occasion but with the flat rib it gets to be a bit tough and you really have to stack your beads to make it work.
Most field guns shoot 50/50 or 50% above the line of sight and 50% below. A trap gun on the average will shot 70/30 or 70% above and 30% below so that you always have the clay in sight on a rising clay and unless your a really slow shooter and are shooting on the way down the 70/30 is what you need. That or take them right out of the house with a flat rib.
There are a lot of guns out that that will work for you but the Auto/pumps will be in the price range your talking of and will work great until you get good enough or interested enough to move up in price.
I probably should have added i have a guy i will send the gun to for some work. I'll have the forcing cone lengthened, port the barrels, custom chokes, and and adjustable cone added. by the way i found another interesting gun but i dont know much about charles daly shotguns. It's a CHARLES DALY EMPIRE TRAP GRADE 12GA 30" BARREL is it worth using?
MT4XFore
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Yes. It is a pretty good shotgun. In fact, Charles Daly used to make the Winchester 101.
The Empire Trap is a great gun. Its probably a B.C. Miroku who also built the Browning Citori's. There were also some really great trap guns sold by Charles Daly that were built by Sabatti in Italy. Pretty spendy when new but few knew what they were so sales were very slow. Used to shoot one of the CD Trap guns and loved that thing. If this is one of the fixed choke guns you could have some problems with putting chokes in it as BCM grinds a flat between the barrels so they can get the convergence correct. This leaves a thin spot on the barrels and make the barrels too thin to put chokes in except for maybe Briley's but even they won't put chokes in some of them as they can be really thin.
All the Winchester 101's were built by Olin Kradencha (spelling ?) which was a company that was started by Nikko and Olin Winchester to build the Winchester 101's and all the Japanese Winchesters.
If this is a Japanese Charles Daly it probably could use the forcing cones lengthened and I do not think their chrome lined so should not be hard to do. Porting isn't really worth it in my opinion, never noticed a difference and they were mostly just louder. As far as screw chokes go, for the most part they will pattern better without them and if its choked right just shoot it. You might also watch the cocking rods as they would break once in a while but can be replaced fairly easily with stronger one.
All in all though a great gun.
All the Winchester 101's were built by Olin Kradencha (spelling ?) which was a company that was started by Nikko and Olin Winchester to build the Winchester 101's and all the Japanese Winchesters.
If this is a Japanese Charles Daly it probably could use the forcing cones lengthened and I do not think their chrome lined so should not be hard to do. Porting isn't really worth it in my opinion, never noticed a difference and they were mostly just louder. As far as screw chokes go, for the most part they will pattern better without them and if its choked right just shoot it. You might also watch the cocking rods as they would break once in a while but can be replaced fairly easily with stronger one.
All in all though a great gun.
Sully2
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A waste of your $$$ Have the forcing cone reamed out "i.e. lengthened" and forget the rest of that crap. It wont improve anything. If you have enough $$ get the stock cut so you can raise the comb to suit YOU...not "Joe Average".
Daly's are much older guns. Might be worth shooting but I wouldnt put any $$ into it.
Outlaw6.0
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I have one of the Stoeger competition O/U's. Mine at least, is a manual safety. I've got about 3k rounds through this one & it's functioning well. My experience has been a roller coaster with the Stoeger. The gun itself is ok, nothing to brag about but they work. My uncle has a field grade Stoeger, both his & mine lost the little metal strip that fills the gap between the barrels (I have no idea what it's called). It looks as though they are silver soldered into place. I've put 1k rounds through mine came apart, but it still functions well.
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clayshooter25
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If you truly mean to shoot trap as a game (as opposed to skeet or sporting clays or shooting trap as hunting prep) I recommend you get a dedicated gun. Based on your price range the Browning BT-99 (or the older BT-100) are just about within your reach... Take a look on Trapshooters.com and post a WTB thread.
Good luck!
Good luck!
YOSEPPY
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I might be to late but I love my stoger competion. Mine also has a manual safety
