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Gord0 said:
I don't have a 14 twist or I gladly would. It's not the bullet weight, but the length that matters. Your 55gr Sierra 1365 has a length of .724" which will be marginally stable at 500'asl out of your 14 twist. You lose some BC but it should fly just fine. You probably wouldn't think of running a 64gr Berger in a 14. It has a length of .815". A 50gr Barnes varmint grenade might sound good, but it has a length of .855". There's complaints everywhere of the Barnes making shotgun patterns. The 52gr amax is a fairly long bullet for it's weight and comes in at .8" The 53gr vmax is a very long bullet for it's weight at .836". A 12 twist gets you right on the edge of marginal stability with the 53. Throw in a little elevation and it'll fly, and even accurately, but with some BC loss.
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I could shoot the 69 grain Sierra Matchkings out of the 14 twist, at 500 feet above sea level but that was out of a 22-250 Ackley. I shot them at an any rifle any sight match at 600 in Milan Il. My score was 185 for 20 shots. Not as good as I had hoped. I was slung into a Tupperware stock. Not sure what the issue was. It was making round holes on the target though. I totally agree that length increases the need for a faster twist but so does bearing surface. A 70 grain flat base with a long bearing surface would most likely work fine. I have used several ballistic programs and none of them were ever made to fit exactly. I have spent my entire life trying to figure out what works best. Having said that I don't quote anything I haven't tried. I have a 12 and 14 twist you are welcome to try. If you have a Remington 700. I will send you the barrels and loaded 53 amax.
 
Wanfalt1 said:
I could shoot the 69 grain Sierra Matchkings out of the 14 twist, at 500 feet above sea level but that was out of a 22-250 Ackley. I shot them at an any rifle any sight match at 600 in Milan Il. My score was 185 for 20 shots. Not as good as I had hoped. I was slung into a Tupperware stock. Not sure what the issue was. It was making round holes on the target though. I totally agree that length increases the need for a faster twist but so does bearing surface. A 70 grain flat base with a long bearing surface would most likely work fine. I have used several ballistic programs and none of them were ever made to fit exactly. I have spent my entire life trying to figure out what works best. Having said that I don't quote anything I haven't tried. I have a 12 and 14 twist you are welcome to try. If you have a Remington 700. I will send you the barrels and loaded 53 amax.
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And there goes this thread off on a tangent.

Couple of gun store tales I experienced:

Walked into a box store and overheard the clerk telling a customer "you don't want to use a bronze brush on your barrel, it will scar up the grooves and make it a smooth bore in no time. Let me get you one of the steel brushes."

Was making a sales call in Missouri and watched to yahoos try to trade in a cheap side-lock muzzle loader. The store clerk told them they should try and shoot it as the store didn't take muzzle loaders as trade-ins.
I made my sales call and in walking out saw the two 'customers' in the reloading aisle. They were discussing whether to get a pound of Blue Dot or one of the IMR powders.
 
Bbear said:
And there goes this thread off on a tangent.

Couple of gun store tales I experienced:

Walked into a box store and overheard the clerk telling a customer "you don't want to use a bronze brush on your barrel, it will scar up the grooves and make it a smooth bore in no time. Let me get you one of the steel brushes."

Was making a sales call in Missouri and watched to yahoos try to trade in a cheap side-lock muzzle loader. The store clerk told them they should try and shoot it as the store didn't take muzzle loaders as trade-ins.
I made my sales call and in walking out saw the two 'customers' in the reloading aisle. They were discussing whether to get a pound of Blue Dot or one of the IMR powders.
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I don't want to be within ear-shot of that SOB when they light it off...

And as for the store clerk with the brushes... You really just can't fix stupid.
 
MudRunner2005 said:
The Creedmoor also gets alot of hate, because people have created this false mystique about the 6.5 Creedmoor as if it was designed by God himself and handed down to Thor for him to forge with his hammer from unicorn horns and King Midas' leprechaun rainbow gold. As if you can go buy one off the shelf, slap on a high-powered optic, buy some Hornady match ammo, and drive straight to your local 1K range, and hit on the first shot, despite having never shot over 100-200 yards in your life, prior to owning your new Creedmoor.
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Full disclosure, I have a 6.5 Creedmoor. I am now hearing it referred to as the 6.5 "Man Bun". Completely understand why. The above quoted just cracks me up, they 6.5s definitely have become all the rage.
 
Creedmoor shooter said:
Another one is the 1/4 bore fan boys. I had a guy try to tell me his 257 Roberts AI would spank a 6.5 at 800 yards. The 25 cal guys think they've got the hammer of Thor
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I don't know about that one... I've never heard anybody talk about any of the .25 calibers the way the 6.5 Creepmoor supporters do. The closest I've heard is .257 Wby supporters talking about Roy, and .270 Win supporters always dropping Jack O'Conner's name. :rolleyes:

The reason you don't hear .25 caliber supporters screeching like banshees is mainly because the die has been cast, and those who are in power have decided to slowly kill the .257 caliber, and to replace it with the 6.5mm. So, the market destroyed the .25 caliber portion of the spectrum by NOT offering high BC heavy bullets, like they do for every other caliber. Because of this, companies stop offering rifles in .25 caliber chamberings. Thus slowly destroys the .257 caliber.
 
Bbear said:
And there goes this thread off on a tangent.
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Actually, no...it goes to the OP and title.....someone is telling you something CAN'T be done....on the internet.... because of something he read...... on the internet.....with NO experience and having never tried it.

You can't find a better example...and , I'm sure that the poster isn't a "crazie", he just picked up some inaccurate info and passed it on.

Tod
 
MudRunner2005 said:
I don't know about that one... I've never heard anybody talk about any of the .25 calibers the way the 6.5 Creepmoor supporters do. The closest I've heard is .257 Wby supporters talking about Roy, and .270 Win supporters always dropping Jack O'Conner's name. :rolleyes:

The reason you don't hear .25 caliber supporters screeching like banshees is mainly because the die has been cast, and those who are in power have decided to slowly kill the .257 caliber, and to replace it with the 6.5mm. So, the market destroyed the .25 caliber portion of the spectrum by NOT offering high BC heavy bullets, like they do for every other caliber. Because of this, companies stop offering rifles in .25 caliber chamberings. Thus slowly destroys the .257 caliber.
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They're out there believe me. Not as bad as the "creepmoor" fan boys but they're still there. Mainly they guys with the 25-06. Some reason they think it kills better than anything else. I used to like the 25-06 back in my early teens, but when I really started to get into long range and reloading and precision rifles, I realized it wasn't the best option.
 
I have had a .257 Wby, and built my custom .25-06 AI back in 2014, and yes, I'm a .25 caliber fan, but I'm not a "supporter". They do kill good, but I'm not going to say it kills any better than anything else, with a correctly placed shot. I AM, however, a proud 7mm supporter...As if yall didn't already know that. :cool:

Hell, the .25-06 is a great short-range option, and also a great low-recoil option for folks who want a laser beam cartridge for inside of 600 yard hunting. They can shoot much farther, but I wouldn't really hunt game farther than about 600 yards with the lack of heavy high BC bullets we have. Now, if Berger would make a 130-140 grain hybrid .257 hunting bullet, man, that would be a game-changer.
 
MudRunner2005 said:
I have had a .257 Wby, and built my custom .25-06 AI back in 2014, and yes, I'm a .25 caliber fan, but I'm not a "supporter". They do kill good, but I'm not going to say it kills any better than anything else, with a correctly placed shot. I AM, however, a proud 7mm supporter...As if yall didn't already know that. :cool:

Hell, the .25-06 is a great short-range option, and also a great low-recoil option for folks who want a laser beam cartridge for inside of 600 yard hunting. They can shoot much farther, but I wouldn't really hunt game farther than about 600 yards with the lack of heavy high BC bullets we have. Now, if Berger would make a 130-140 grain hybrid .257 hunting bullet, man, that would be a game-changer.
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I like my 6.5mm and 7mm cartridges. Probably the best balanced ones out there for everyday hunting and shooting. 6.5mm on the short action and 7mm on long actions. With the new 7mms coming down the pipe it's a real game changer for the 7mms that are always swept under the rug by the 30s. That new 180 eld-match at 3000 fps stays supersonic out to a mile. That's crazy
 
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