Talk Some Sense Into Me

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I'm stuck in a never-ending loop of looking for a good rifle, reading reviews on the internet, and then second guessing myself.
Currently, I'm really liking the features that come with the Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win, but reading online comments gives me a little hesitation. This rifle has all of the features that I want and more, but what kind of accuracy can I expect from this rifle?
My purpose is Coyotes and groundhogs at 200-400 yards and most likely not high-volume.
Am I making a mistake looking at this particular rifle, or am I overthinking this?
Should I be looking at the Tikka T3X rifles instead?
I have allotted about $1,000 for the glass, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Talk some sense into me.
 
I think you are overthinking it - go with the Browning. They are excellent. Nothing is a 100% guarantee. But with a Browning your odds of getting a great product are very high. Remember that the internet is an amplifier for the negative. Very few people, in reality, have any issues with the X-Bolts. Get the gun that "speaks" to your heart. You'll be happy.
 
I'm stuck in a never-ending loop of looking for a good rifle, reading reviews on the internet, and then second guessing myself.
Currently, I'm really liking the features that come with the Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win, but reading online comments gives me a little hesitation. This rifle has all of the features that I want and more, but what kind of accuracy can I expect from this rifle?
My purpose is Coyotes and groundhogs at 200-400 yards and most likely not high-volume.
Am I making a mistake looking at this particular rifle, or am I overthinking this?
Should I be looking at the Tikka T3X rifles instead?
I have allotted about $1,000 for the glass, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Talk some sense into me.
Forgot to add, I'll be shooting factory ammo. I'm not a reloader.
Remember that we all have different personal preference and experiences. Whichever you decide, not being a reloader will be a factor in the accuracy issue. We all have different perspectives, "I" look at the DIY friendliness and aftermarket support of the actions and between the two, I like the Tikka. Tikka also have a very track for its accuracy out of the box. A lot of members here use them in their builds.

Should you consider outside your list, the Savage rifles' out of the box accuracy and DIY friendliness is hard to beat.

ADDED: For you consideration, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/savage-flat-back-6-5-284-norma-in-a-game-warden.274283/. I understand it is not your choice chambering but it's an excellent alternative.

Having said that, go with what you think best suits your need/want, you will be much happier that way. Good luck!
 
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I'm stuck in a never-ending loop of looking for a good rifle, reading reviews on the internet, and then second guessing myself.
Currently, I'm really liking the features that come with the Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win, but reading online comments gives me a little hesitation. This rifle has all of the features that I want and more, but what kind of accuracy can I expect from this rifle?
My purpose is Coyotes and groundhogs at 200-400 yards and most likely not high-volume.
Am I making a mistake looking at this particular rifle, or am I overthinking this?
Should I be looking at the Tikka T3X rifles instead?
I have allotted about $1,000 for the glass, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Talk some sense into me.
There are very few bad brands of rifles out there now. As stated above get what sings to you and shoot it. If the bloom comes off the rose you can always sell it or customize it. Either way you will be one step closer to finding what YOU like in a rifle.
 
I'm stuck in a never-ending loop of looking for a good rifle, reading reviews on the internet, and then second guessing myself.
Currently, I'm really liking the features that come with the Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win, but reading online comments gives me a little hesitation. This rifle has all of the features that I want and more, but what kind of accuracy can I expect from this rifle?
My purpose is Coyotes and groundhogs at 200-400 yards and most likely not high-volume.
Am I making a mistake looking at this particular rifle, or am I overthinking this?
Should I be looking at the Tikka T3X rifles instead?
I have allotted about $1,000 for the glass, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Talk some sense into me.

Welcome to the club of rifle envy and indecision.

Trying to buy a rifle based on someone's review of it's accuracy is silly. The accuracy issues in most rifles is the shooter, followed by the use of factory ammo (non match grade), followed by something being slightly loose like a scope ring or bedding screw, followed by the rifle. The point is the rifle its self (ie the barrel and action) are rarely the issue, and no matter how many reviews or opinions or data sheets you look at, you, your ammo, and your assembly of the rifle will always be exponentially bigger problems than the rifle.

My recommendation is to go to a gun shop with a good selection, throw a sand bag on the ground, and get behind a bunch of rifles until you find one that you like and feels comfortable. Nicer factory rifles will shoot sub 0.5MOA if you are a good enough shooter and you use the right ammo. And most of the 0.25MOA custom rifles will still shoot 1MOA if you aren't good enough to shoot 0.25MOA or refuse to take the time and money to find/develop the right load.

As someone who is fortunate enough to buy several similar rifles, the above situation is exactly my personal experience:

I currently own three 300wm rifles, my first is a rem 700 I bought used for $375, the second is a savage 110 that I paid about $1k for, and the third rifle is a custom $5.8k all carbon rifle (proof barrel, chassis, the works). All three rifles are 26" barrels, the rem 700 didnt have an accuracy guarantee, the savage is supposed to shoot sub MOA, and the custom rifle is supposed to shoot sub 0.5MOA. With factory non-match ammo, I shoot 1MOA+ with all three rifles all day long no matter how hard I try. With match ammo, I shoot the rem 700 around 0.7-1MOA, the savage around 0.6MOA, and the custom rifle around 0.6MOA. With hand loads, I shoot the rem 700 around 0.6MOA, the savage around 0.4MOA, and I still need to work up a load for the custom rifle but something tells me I'm going to have a hard time beating 0.4MOA. When I get down in the dirt and my bipod bites just right, and everything is perfect, I can shoot the rem 700 about 0.5MOA and the savage at 0.3MOA, I still need more time behind the custom rifle but I doubt I will be shooting much better than the savage.

The moral of the story is anyone justifying buying "this" rifle over "that" rifle, or a more expensive rifle over a cheaper rifle, and thinking they are going to somehow "improve" accuracy without fixing themselves or the ammo they use is not going to be happy with any rifle they choose. The best way to become more accurate is to become a better shooter, followed by hand loading, followed by a better rifle. Don't read anyone's reviews. Go to the gun shop, get into the position you intend to actually shoot the rifle from, see how all the stocks feel, pick the one you like, and commit to learning how to shoot that specific rifle really well. Or buy all the rifles.

Browning's nicer rifles shoot great, so do savage's rifles, so do every manufacture's higher end factory rifles...

I think Browning's X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win is a fine choice, and I think you should buy it if it feels comfortable in your hands, if the stock feels naturally comfortable in your shoulder, if your cheek welds nicely to the comb, and the trigger feels natural to you. Read some reviews on ammo choices and grain weight that people like, and get some lead in the air.
 
I'm stuck in a never-ending loop of looking for a good rifle, reading reviews on the internet, and then second guessing myself.
Currently, I'm really liking the features that come with the Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win, but reading online comments gives me a little hesitation. This rifle has all of the features that I want and more, but what kind of accuracy can I expect from this rifle?
My purpose is Coyotes and groundhogs at 200-400 yards and most likely not high-volume.
Am I making a mistake looking at this particular rifle, or am I overthinking this?
Should I be looking at the Tikka T3X rifles instead?
I have allotted about $1,000 for the glass, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Talk some sense into me.
Build something exactly the way you want it! It's SO easy these days. Pick an action, (bighorn,defiance,impact, even tikka). Buy a prefit barrel shouldered or nut doesn't matter just what you prefer, Get the stock You want, trigger you want , etc. There is zero compromise doing it this way! it's satisfying to build stuff in your own shop. Yeah, your just screwing stuff together, but it's still "custom" because it's what you want ! I bed all my rifles myself also. Its a lot of fun putting stuff together , then seeing the results on paper/steel/game.
 
I'm stuck in a never-ending loop of looking for a good rifle, reading reviews on the internet, and then second guessing myself.
Currently, I'm really liking the features that come with the Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed A-TACS AU in .243 Win, but reading online comments gives me a little hesitation. This rifle has all of the features that I want and more, but what kind of accuracy can I expect from this rifle?
My purpose is Coyotes and groundhogs at 200-400 yards and most likely not high-volume.
Am I making a mistake looking at this particular rifle, or am I overthinking this?
Should I be looking at the Tikka T3X rifles instead?
I have allotted about $1,000 for the glass, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Talk some sense into me.
2000 grand to shoot song dog an prairie rats? I have a Steven 200 made by Savage in 22-250 with a 4-12 Sightron that shoots 1/2" 100 yd groups with 50gr vmax. I put an after market trigger on it so now it's cost went up to 400 bucks. Just my pennies worth. By the way I do have high dollar customs but not for yotes
 
I agree with everything Weekend warrior said, my Browning A-bolt II in 6.5 Creedmoor shot factory 129 Hornady consistently sub half MOA at 100 yards, I know a lot of good experienced shooters (I'm a law enforcement sniper, designated marksman or whatever you want to call us today) and most of them have at least one Browning and they all shoot really well. Most folks who love their Brownings never write reviews and most you tube reviewers are doing it for money which is why they want you to subscribe or like their channel. Anyway, a decent torque wrench, clean mounting holes and a little patience will go a long way toward proper assembly. Once that's done correctly try to find someone who is trained and experienced to mentor you on shooting fundamentals and technique. This is one area where that investment will far out weigh throwing rounds downrange without a specific goal and purpose, plus you can develop some really bad habits that will lead to frustration and a potentially bad review about a perfectly good firearm. Savage, Browning and Tikka are all excellent firearms as are too many others to list. I would encourage you to go with a higher end model of whomever you choose, as Weekend Warrior said, take your time, find what fits, put it together carefully, get some training and enjoy!
 
Maybe you need to rethink being stuck in a loop to buy another rifle.

I find if you can refrain for a week before buying something, you avoid buying something altogether.

The thrill of buying another rifle is like any other buy impulse to overcome.
 
Maybe you need to rethink being stuck in a loop to buy another rifle.

I find if you can refrain for a week before buying something, you avoid buying something altogether.

The thrill of buying another rifle is like any other buy impulse to overcome.
Who are you & how did you infiltrate this forum?

Everyone knows the Second Rule of Gun Guys is "Always encourage & enable additional firearm purchases".

I think your blood sugar was low. Try again. Encourage him to get the Browning or at least a Tikka. Gads man, what were you thinking!?
 
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