hello again and thanks for the feedback my new rifle is almost done i went with the 280 ackley --- barrels a bartlein 26 inch im using it for hunting its on a browning x bolt chassis in ss----- my next thing is i would like to get some brass i dont have to fireform ive heard the nosler stuff is hard and doesnt last ive never used any myself .... does lapua or norma make any?? im tempted to give the nosler stuff a go -------------im looking at trying some 168 bergers for my first go round what do you all think??? thanks