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Proof vs Christensen Carbon

The carbon portions of the barrel hardly got warm. I had to touch the barrel at the barrelnut/receiver junction and even the metal end cap of the barrel to get any idea how hot I was getting the barrel. The metal parts never got too warm to touch...unlike my all metal barrels...

That's because the carbon is an insulator, holding the heat of combustion on the other side of the carbon wrap. Where do you suspect the heat of powder combustion is going if it isn't escaping the carbon wrap? Same heat is generated internal to the bore whether the exterior is wrapped in carbon or not.

Appears some carbon barrel owner's don't like to learn that the manufacturer's claims about lower barrel temps, faster cooling, and longer bore life are false. Is that the issue? Don't present the facts if they're contrary to the pros the manufacturers advertised prior to purchase?
 
MR2005,
I don't want to create a big fuss. I endured a number of Heat Transfer courses in college engineering courses. Heat transfer theory doesn't support your last sentence above. Sometimes I wish I didn't know this ****...

The CF is an insulating shield to radial heat loss. The thin steel barrel will heat up faster than a thicker steel barrel - I agree. However, surrounded by the CF insulation wrap, the steel core of the barrel, thick or thin, will retain heat longer than without the insulating CF wrap.

Now, combine a thin walled steel barrel liner and wrap it with CF, and from a strictly heat transfer perspective, the steel core will experience higher temperatures for two reasons: 1) the thinner contour steel barrel/core temperature will rise at an increased rate per shot fired (because of the lesser mass of steel to distribute the heat across - less steel mass) and, 2) the steel barrel/core will cool at a decreased rate (because of the insulating CF wrap).

If I owned a CF barrel, I would be more concerned with steel barrel temperature than I would with a plain steel barrel. I would practice at reduced rates of fire. The only time I'd be banging away at a rapid rate, is if a wounded animal was getting away.

To my way of thinking, the only reason these thinner steel tubes with CF wrap barrels don't shift point of impact unacceptably through there faster heat ups and slower cool downs, is because the CF wrap is exceptionally stiff/rigid. This exceptional rigidity reduces the tendency of the steel barrel to warp during warm up cycles, such that they seem to shoot well - by most all recent reports I read.

If there's a heat transfer expert in the membership that wants to jump in here and identify the flaw in my post, please do. Open invitation... I don't expect anyone, or any CF wrapped barrel manufacturer's rep, will be able to dispute what I've just presented - at least not applying valid heat transfer science.

I'm not trying to say CR wrapped barrels don't or couldn't have some advantages. The advantages I see are reduced weight, better balance, increased barrel stiffness. I am stating they have no thermal efficiency advantages. They're worse than steel barrels, if we desire barrels that heat slower and cool faster.

For what it's worth. I've never believed the improved thermal performance marketing on and CR barrel. Any more than I've ever believed that some rifles shoot more accurately (better precision) at greater distances than they do at closer distances. It's that clear in my mind. Ain't gonna happen. Not until someone develops a functional miniature guidance system, implants it inside a bullet, and the bullet can self-correct it's flight path after it leaves the muzzle.
Absolutely! My thoughts were since CF wrapped barrels are so densely wrapped and stiff (they're machine-wrapped so the tension and pressure put on them during wrapping is super high), there would be so few air gaps to allow much heat transfer from the steel part to the CF part, despite being in direct contact, acting like a thermal barrier and when cooling down, the much thinner steel sleeve would have less surface mass (from lack of material) that it would cool down faster. I could be completely wrong, as I've never done heat analysis on carbon fiber or G10 composites, it was simply an educated guess.

I definitely can't argue with anything you posted, especially the part about rapid-firing something with that thin of a steel sleeve, because of the initial increased thermal properties caused by the CF wrapping.

I agree that one huge advantage is the stiffness, allowing the CF barrels to be slightly more accurate after several shots, due to the significantly lower harmonic node interference (whip) thanks to the very stiff CF wrapping, compared to a solid steel sporter barrel (using this example for equal weight comparison), that when the molecules begin moving around more from increased temperatures, they become very whippy and unpredictable causing "fliers".
 
If you have any ?s let me know. I wont feed you full of BS, and I'll give you what my direct, recent, and current experience has been.

More error. You've posted an errant statement, and choose to leave that error intact. That's the definition of BS. So what's to believe and what's not?

Also, if you intended to restrict your ?s offer by limiting it to selective members, you could of let us know. More BS...
 
Haven't misled anybody.
I see. You have good intentions. Just no comprehension of English grammar. And when your grammatical error is identified, you leave it there to mislead others to the belief that you felt your barrel flat out wasn't getting hot.

No problems. I have no more questions. Your answers and posts are BS laden, to the point of useless.
 
More error. You've posted an errant statement, and choose to leave that error intact. That's the definition of BS. So what's to believe and what's not?

Also, if you intended to restrict your ?s offer by limiting it to selective members, you could of let us know. More BS...

What? So my inbox only accepts PMs from certain people? Quit being ridiculous. You're crapping all over this thread after clearly stating in your first post you didn't want to start anything.

I get it. You adhere to the quantitative engineering theory and data that you're familiar with. Thats fine. I'm providing a firsthand account of qualitative results. I don't see where I've said anything misleading to anyone. My opinion is just as qualified as anyone you render considering we're both anonymous people on the internet.
 
I see. You have good intentions. Just no comprehension of English grammar. And when your grammatical error is identified, you leave it there to mislead others to the belief that you felt your barrel flat out wasn't getting hot.

No problems. I have no more questions. Your answers and posts are BS laden, to the point of useless.

Why correct it? You keep coming back for more to point it out. I'll just keep letting you do whatever it is you're doing now.

Carry on.
 
Having a hard time deciding between the two for a 6.5x284 and could use some first hand insight.

Price really isn't an issue, I'm just more concerned about accuracy and cold bore vs warm bore drift.

Thanks!

I only have experience with the proofs. I've shot and loaded for several rifles in various calibers. Some were Proof rifles and some proof barrels on trued 700s. All barrels shot .3 moa or better and there is no POI change as the barrel heats up like on some of my steel barrels.

This was from my personal rifle, trued R.E.M. 700 with a 26" proof sendaro. As you can see when I switch from the brake to the can it drops my POI 1moa.
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I clearly stated I couldn't care less about dissipation characteristics.
What you've more clearly stated is that you could care less about errant communication. And you'd rather lose pouting, than acknowledge your grammatical error and correct your post. Is that the Big in BigGrizz?
 
@ Biggrizz p#38. The statistical methodology was biased because of the sample population polled and the pollers. The quantitative data was therefore incorrect and reflects that bias. On a similar note, If you like the election result thank some of the Amish who voted for the first time ever.
 
I only have experience with the proofs. I've shot and loaded for several rifles in various calibers. Some were Proof rifles and some proof barrels on trued 700s. All barrels shot .3 moa or better and there is no POI change as the barrel heats up like on some of my steel barrels.

This was from my personal rifle, trued R.E.M. 700 with a 26" proof sendaro. As you can see when I switch from the brake to the can it drops my POI 1moa.
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Nice!...did your smith have any problems threading the end of your barrel?
 
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