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<blockquote data-quote="MoreSalsa" data-source="post: 2345577" data-attributes="member: 120766"><p>Thanks ... all of this seems to triangulate in on Havak PH2, which will give me 1, a light (though not ultra light) rifle with a stock that will help with practical, in-the-field accuracy, 2, a 24" barrel, 3, components (like trigger and barrel) that will be at least somewhat better than anything in a cheaper factory rifle, 4, essentially better quality control/peace of mind... as in, in might not actually be more accurate than a cheaper Savage (if I get a good one) but will be less likely to have some sort of issue that would require tinkering/gunsmith work to correct, which I definitely want to avoid, 5, seems to be loved by those who have one (from what I've seen so far) and 6, looks like it costs a little less (or at least not much more) than a Sako, Bergara (Premier), or Browning.</p><p></p><p>Good to know on the copper bullets. I have some knowledge about copper bullets and terminal ballistics and I can see how a higher velocity would be needed to ensure good terminal performance downrange than for say a high quality bonded SP. I will say that my '06 loves the 165 gr. copper solids used in the Federal Premium factory ammo, which is to say that is shoots them okay ... and that is the only factory load that it seems to shoot well. I was going to try some 180 gr. Core Lokts since my interpretation is that it likes long bullets. But in the end, my '06 is a beautiful rifle (an old, lightly used Howa with a beautiful wood stock) that I got for a very low price. But it's heavy (heavy enough to make unsupported shots very difficult, at least for me) and so far I haven't gotten it to shoot very well. I'm sure I could improve that to some degree with handloading, some gunsmith work, etc., but as mentioned I want to downsize on rifle weight and caliber and I'm pretty sure something like the PH2 will shoot better than the Howa would even with the tinkering. So, I think the '06 can become the second string rifle I give to my father or whoever is hunting with me.</p><p></p><p>On the manbun, I definitely don't want a "sniper" rifle and don't want to do hunting like I'm sniping something. I respect other points of views, but for me currently I think <em>most</em> types of hunting should require getting somewhat close to the game, and I don't have the skill to shoot anything smaller than a barn at 800 yards anyway. The last big game shot that I made with a metallic cartridge rifle was a small deer at 290-300 yards, off of crooked wobbly post ... that was pretty good for me. The idea is that I can stretch that out to maybe 400 yards with better hardware and a lot of good practice. After that my sense of fair play for the game starts to play a role in terms of whether I'd even want to take the shot. That said, I'd love to be able to shoot accurately at long ranges some day - I just don't think it will ever be part of my hunting unless that is just how it goes with the particular type of game or something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoreSalsa, post: 2345577, member: 120766"] Thanks ... all of this seems to triangulate in on Havak PH2, which will give me 1, a light (though not ultra light) rifle with a stock that will help with practical, in-the-field accuracy, 2, a 24" barrel, 3, components (like trigger and barrel) that will be at least somewhat better than anything in a cheaper factory rifle, 4, essentially better quality control/peace of mind... as in, in might not actually be more accurate than a cheaper Savage (if I get a good one) but will be less likely to have some sort of issue that would require tinkering/gunsmith work to correct, which I definitely want to avoid, 5, seems to be loved by those who have one (from what I've seen so far) and 6, looks like it costs a little less (or at least not much more) than a Sako, Bergara (Premier), or Browning. Good to know on the copper bullets. I have some knowledge about copper bullets and terminal ballistics and I can see how a higher velocity would be needed to ensure good terminal performance downrange than for say a high quality bonded SP. I will say that my '06 loves the 165 gr. copper solids used in the Federal Premium factory ammo, which is to say that is shoots them okay ... and that is the only factory load that it seems to shoot well. I was going to try some 180 gr. Core Lokts since my interpretation is that it likes long bullets. But in the end, my '06 is a beautiful rifle (an old, lightly used Howa with a beautiful wood stock) that I got for a very low price. But it's heavy (heavy enough to make unsupported shots very difficult, at least for me) and so far I haven't gotten it to shoot very well. I'm sure I could improve that to some degree with handloading, some gunsmith work, etc., but as mentioned I want to downsize on rifle weight and caliber and I'm pretty sure something like the PH2 will shoot better than the Howa would even with the tinkering. So, I think the '06 can become the second string rifle I give to my father or whoever is hunting with me. On the manbun, I definitely don't want a "sniper" rifle and don't want to do hunting like I'm sniping something. I respect other points of views, but for me currently I think [I]most[/I] types of hunting should require getting somewhat close to the game, and I don't have the skill to shoot anything smaller than a barn at 800 yards anyway. The last big game shot that I made with a metallic cartridge rifle was a small deer at 290-300 yards, off of crooked wobbly post ... that was pretty good for me. The idea is that I can stretch that out to maybe 400 yards with better hardware and a lot of good practice. After that my sense of fair play for the game starts to play a role in terms of whether I'd even want to take the shot. That said, I'd love to be able to shoot accurately at long ranges some day - I just don't think it will ever be part of my hunting unless that is just how it goes with the particular type of game or something. [/QUOTE]
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