Nosler long range accbond and my experience.

[HuntFarther]

Here is the link to the video

[ame=http://youtu.be/ivJwB5Zr1LE]2013 Jason's Muley Buck.swf - YouTube[/ame]

 

[extreme]

You added a lot

I have not been able to find the 210 grain lrab for my 300 wby. to test yet. Some guys seem to be doing better than others with these bullets.. Not sure they were put in production just to compete with Berger. . That is all I was saying.

 

[extreme]

It's pretty simple. The only way you are guaranteed to put the animal down where it stands is to break both shoulders and/or directly interrupt the CNS with a brain/spine shot. If you are just punching the ribs you will not get instant death and they will more often than not run some distance before bleeding out and/or the heart stops pumping.

No matter what type of game animal I'm shooting my preference is a broadside shot punching both shoulders and bisecting the spine. My other two are a head or neck shot. Hit them anywhere else and the odds are pretty high you are going to have to do at least some tracking because they will not die in place.

You are 100% correct ..This is my way of hunting forever . Take out the front legs and no tracking is required.

 

[BCMAG2]

From the video, it looks to me like the (first) broadside shot was likely just over the lungs and below the spine; in that void of flesh that contains no vitals. I've hit an animal or two there in years past, and the chase was on. Not sure I can blame bullet performance for that. I have also noticed from such experiences that when the first hit is not through vitals, it seems to take an inordinate number of follow up hits to dispatch the animal. Perhaps that's the result of the animal's body having time to generate a tremendous amount of adrenaline under those circumstances. I have not fired any LRs yet, but from the photos and video, I can't see anything wrong with the bullets' terminal performance. I would be very pleased to recover such a perfectly mushroomed slug as the one in the photo.

 

[HuntFarther]

I am just glad through this to help someone make a decision to use them or to stick with their load. I hate the comments about you break the spinal column, or both front legs. That is great but we never have perfect condition's all the time to guarantee a perfect hit where the crossairs lay, with a good trigger brake to boot. So with me having something to cover your butt when stuff is not the best is worth a lot. I have stated repeatedly that this bullet needs tested further to prove it. I am not talking coyotes and little whitetails. I am talking moose, caribou, and elk size animals. I would have never wanted to shot a bull elk with this bullet if it preformed like this that day. I have confidence that the recovery may not have happened, or if there was thick cover. I showed all and the proof is there, may just have been the one in a million that had the desire to live.

 

[bigngreen]

I shot every animal this year with a shot that affected the spine between the middle of the neck and the shoulder and only one did not require me to dispatch the animal when I got to it, ya they were immobile but very far from a clean kill IMO. If the wound channels are thin a spine shot is not lethal unless it's very far forward, if your wound channel cuts the dorsal aorta it's very lethal and any shot that goes under the spine should affect that artery if the bullet is creating a large permanent wound channel not just pushing a bullet through tissue.

Any shot that goes through the ribs should yield a stone dead animal upon retrieval with the proper bullet function IMO.

 

[brentc]

Took them out and shot them and seemed to match my drop in my g7 rangefinder for the 180 berger at .659 bc. I am not saying if the bc is the same for the lrab, because I did not chrony them.

You're assuming a lot with your exterior ballistics here. You stated multiple times that you and your buddy's shots were higher than point of aim. You probably would have benefited from figuring out your velocity at least. Velocity and BC preferably. More load testing to eliminate the velocity and BC assumptions could very well have prevented the high shots. I'd say you were pretty **** lucky to get your buck considering your use of a completely different bullet in a load developed for a 180 Berger. I'd have trouble blaming the bullet performance with the way your load was developed and tested.

 

[HuntFarther]

There is nothing wrong with the bullet performance here. However, since you said multiple times that your shots were higher than point of aim, you probably would have benefited from figuring out your velocity at least. Velocity and BC preferably. More load testing to eliminate the velocity and BC assumptions could very well have prevented the high shots. I'd say you were pretty **** lucky to get your buck considering your use of a completely different bullet in a load developed for a 180 Berger.

Where are all these high shots brent? Did you watch the video or what? I shot and checked zero before I left and shot my way to to beyond 1350 and things matched. Two in the chest were below center line on the neck. The neck shot all I could see is the and 10" of neck max. Don't look like I over shot him there either. 6 hits in 6 shots is not lucky from 310-735

 

[HuntFarther]

I shot every animal this year with a shot that affected the spine between the middle of the neck and the shoulder and only one did not require me to dispatch the animal when I got to it, ya they were immobile but very far from a clean kill IMO. If the wound channels are thin a spine shot is not lethal unless it's very far forward, if your wound channel cuts the dorsal aorta it's very lethal and any shot that goes under the spine should affect that artery if the bullet is creating a large permanent wound channel not just pushing a bullet through tissue.

Any shot that goes through the ribs should yield a stone dead animal upon retrieval with the proper bullet function IMO.

I know, just seems something is supposed to be what described no matter what you personally see or have happen.

 

[cohunter14]

From the video, it looks to me like the (first) broadside shot was likely just over the lungs and below the spine; in that void of flesh that contains no vitals. I've hit an animal or two there in years past, and the chase was on. Not sure I can blame bullet performance for that. I have also noticed from such experiences that when the first hit is not through vitals, it seems to take an inordinate number of follow up hits to dispatch the animal. Perhaps that's the result of the animal's body having time to generate a tremendous amount of adrenaline under those circumstances. I have not fired any LRs yet, but from the photos and video, I can't see anything wrong with the bullets' terminal performance. I would be very pleased to recover such a perfectly mushroomed slug as the one in the photo.

x2...outside of a bullet fragmenting, I don't know what more you can ask for. That is a perfect mushroom.

I would have never wanted to shot a bull elk with this bullet if it preformed like this that day.

As far as not using this bullet on an elk, I still do not understand that statement. This bullet mushroomed just like a Partition, which has been a huge favorite for years on all big game animals.

Again, I am curious what more you want the bullet to do? If you want it to fragment, then the LRAB isn't the right bullet. But for those people who don't like the fragmentation of Bergers, this seems like a perfect solution. Am I crazy or just missing something? Not trying to question you at all, I am just confused...

 

[brentc]

Where are all these high shots brent? Did you watch the video or what? I shot and checked zero before I left and shot my way to to beyond 1350 and things matched. Two in the chest were below center line on the neck. The neck shot all I could see is the and 10" of neck max. Don't look like I over shot him there either. 6 hits in 6 shots is not lucky from 310-735

Exhibit A and B:

We get everything setup, by this time he is 450, we get dialed in, and he shot right over his back. The next time he stopped was 650 yards, I believe, would have to check the video, but he was quartering away. I told him take your time, as soon as I said that bang. And the deer was done, he crumpled. We ended up finding the shot a little high and hit him in the neck.

Exhibit C:

I watched the impact right behind the shoulder shade high

I'm not trying bust your berries here. I'm just pointing out things from your story that may have affected your perceived bullet performance.

 

[HuntFarther]

Brentc,
You are saying that it has to be high b.c even though verified prior to hunting. And things didn't work? I cannot say why the shots were high, I can say the load was verified prior to hunting. I will get the video of my buddies buck when he shoots over. " here is how it goes. He say you ready I say yep, but take your "bang" time. Happened again the next time. I know he came off his gun both times. Of course this is not that case for shooting high. Things like this have no affect on shooting high only incorrect b.c. and a bad load.

Also I guess I am the only one that has ever experience a shot slightly off mark from point of am at 735 yards in hunting conditions, but were spot on the next three.

 

[HuntFarther]

x2...outside of a bullet fragmenting, I don't know what more you can ask for. That is a perfect mushroom.



As far as not using this bullet on an elk, I still do not understand that statement. This bullet mushroomed just like a Partition, which has been a huge favorite for years on all big game animals.

Again, I am curious what more you want the bullet to do? If you want it to fragment, then the LRAB isn't the right bullet. But for those people who don't like the fragmentation of Bergers, this seems like a perfect solution. Am I crazy or just missing something? Not trying to question you at all, I am just confused...

I am stating from personal experience that a mule deer is fairly easy to kill if hit good. I have seen more killed with 22-250's and 243's than magnums. I have seen 338 ultras beat and beat on elk and they stay up. Just how I seen this bullet hit hard and not carry anything after that. I would not want to shoot a elk with it. I am not speaking nobody should. Just I would not have wanted to do that. I have seen partitions used and would not associate a partition kill with this bullet killing.

So what have you killed with this bullet? And tell me in depth personal experiences so I can say that did or didn't happen.

 

[elkaholic]

I didn't read through all the posts, but got the jist of your experience. I did some minimal testing on the 150 LRAB (270) this summer and found them to expand extremely quickly and lose a lot of weight. I was pretty skeptical that they would work close range on elk, but thought they would likely be a good deer bullet. They expand at low velocities as well as anything I've seen. I'm guessing that your entry holes were quite damaging? They appeared to be a bullet that would work well at EXTREME ranges......Rich