I do carbon first then copperI use bore tech. Copper remover and carbon remover.
Which do you use first , I do copper first.
We wrote about carbon or copper first. Get the carbon off to get the copper exposed. I have seen barrels so bad it was in there like a layer cake. Also get a set of tipton nickle plated jags. No false color on your patch from the brass.Good stuff, never thought about shavings. You'd think the manufacturer would flush the barrel before sending it out to the stores .
The average Joe won't clean his gun first.I can only think of 2 guns I didn't clean first. It was in the 70s my first gun a rem semi auto 22. Surprisingly it shoots good. My Browning bar 280 , it shoots good too. I'm lucky I guess.
In my defense, there was no internet or anyone to guide me.