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<blockquote data-quote="Sid Post" data-source="post: 2491265" data-attributes="member: 8907"><p>TL-DR; all of it so ...</p><p></p><p>For people saying you can or can't shoot 1,000 yards with something less than a boutique Magnum or some other similar wildcat, just look to Europe where competition shooters are using so-called obsolete calibers like the 6.5x55 (aka 6.5 Swede) or the 308 Winchester (7.62x51). The 6.5x55 is a leading round for most 600m competitions on that side of the Atlantic and has been known to be used on the PRS as well. Are there better rounds, well better depends on what you look at and for but, generally the answer is yes but often the differences are relatively small.</p><p></p><p>I would say the 6mm Remington is better than the 243 Winchester. There is also the new darling, 6mm Creedmoor. If I miss or don't kill my deer, hog, etc., IT IS ME not the cartridge.</p><p></p><p>One rifle for everything from deer hunting to F-class 1000 yard competitions will mean a lot of compromises. Based on your original post, I tend to think picking the best hunting round first is most important. Then tweak it to shoot long-range as best you can which generally means getting a fast twist barrel for specialty solids and heavies.</p><p></p><p>Next, your budget will go MUCH FARTHER IF you buy a gently used rifle off the classifieds from here or a similar site like SnipersHide.com</p><p></p><p>If you put the bullets in the right spot and pick your shots carefully, you can HUMANELY take game animals with lesser cartridges. A bad shot with a larger more powerful cartridge will just destroy more edible meat. It will also take longer to come up to a good proficiency level.</p><p></p><p>I have a 300 Win Mag but, prefer the 7mm Remington for hunting big game in the USA. However, today I would build a 280 Remington (30-06 based 7mm). For Deer sized game, my 257 Weatherby is a hammer and half and should work well on Pronghorn and Moutain Goats, however, I would be fine shooting my 6.5x55 f that's what I have ammo for.</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">I'm looking for a rifle for deer, black bear and elk (if possible), but also capable of shooting for <u>fun</u> at f-class competitions up to 1,000 yards.</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: null">Deer, Black Bear, and Elk have all been taken with 6.5x55 and similar and larger calibers. On the LRH forum, people are focused on humanely taking game at extreme ranges so, that biases the general responses SIGNIFICANTLY IMHO. You take game with a bow and shotgun so, picking a shot at more modest ranges should be a reasonable expectation. With that, I would look at something like a 280 Remington that supports heavies with its barrel twist rate. This will reach the vitals of Elk and Black Bears to take them humanely. If someone suggests it won't anchor a deer, please get advice from someone else.</span></p><p><span style="color: null"></span></p><p><span style="color: null">The 308W/7.62x51 gets a lot of 'talk' but, it is a little light for hunting at longer ranges. A higher sectional density round will retain more 'horsepower' at longer ranges and penetrate deeper. While the 308W is widely available in the retail stream, most of it is TOTALLY WRONG and INAPPROPRIATE for use in a hunting context so, I would suggest 30-06, 280 Rem, etc. in terms of factory hunting ammunition is not a significant handicap. In fact, something like my 6.5x55 "Swede" is hard to find at my local Walmart or hunting store but, I am also probably the only one in the county that will pay $40~$60 a box for a hunting load so, I could generally buy enough ammo for reasonable hunting adventures even in the depths of the ammunition shortage.</span></p><p><span style="color: null"></span></p><p><span style="color: null">Please pardon the mini-novel length of this post!</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sid Post, post: 2491265, member: 8907"] TL-DR; all of it so ... For people saying you can or can't shoot 1,000 yards with something less than a boutique Magnum or some other similar wildcat, just look to Europe where competition shooters are using so-called obsolete calibers like the 6.5x55 (aka 6.5 Swede) or the 308 Winchester (7.62x51). The 6.5x55 is a leading round for most 600m competitions on that side of the Atlantic and has been known to be used on the PRS as well. Are there better rounds, well better depends on what you look at and for but, generally the answer is yes but often the differences are relatively small. I would say the 6mm Remington is better than the 243 Winchester. There is also the new darling, 6mm Creedmoor. If I miss or don't kill my deer, hog, etc., IT IS ME not the cartridge. One rifle for everything from deer hunting to F-class 1000 yard competitions will mean a lot of compromises. Based on your original post, I tend to think picking the best hunting round first is most important. Then tweak it to shoot long-range as best you can which generally means getting a fast twist barrel for specialty solids and heavies. Next, your budget will go MUCH FARTHER IF you buy a gently used rifle off the classifieds from here or a similar site like SnipersHide.com If you put the bullets in the right spot and pick your shots carefully, you can HUMANELY take game animals with lesser cartridges. A bad shot with a larger more powerful cartridge will just destroy more edible meat. It will also take longer to come up to a good proficiency level. I have a 300 Win Mag but, prefer the 7mm Remington for hunting big game in the USA. However, today I would build a 280 Remington (30-06 based 7mm). For Deer sized game, my 257 Weatherby is a hammer and half and should work well on Pronghorn and Moutain Goats, however, I would be fine shooting my 6.5x55 f that's what I have ammo for. [I][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]I'm looking for a rifle for deer, black bear and elk (if possible), but also capable of shooting for [U]fun[/U] at f-class competitions up to 1,000 yards.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=null]Deer, Black Bear, and Elk have all been taken with 6.5x55 and similar and larger calibers. On the LRH forum, people are focused on humanely taking game at extreme ranges so, that biases the general responses SIGNIFICANTLY IMHO. You take game with a bow and shotgun so, picking a shot at more modest ranges should be a reasonable expectation. With that, I would look at something like a 280 Remington that supports heavies with its barrel twist rate. This will reach the vitals of Elk and Black Bears to take them humanely. If someone suggests it won't anchor a deer, please get advice from someone else. The 308W/7.62x51 gets a lot of 'talk' but, it is a little light for hunting at longer ranges. A higher sectional density round will retain more 'horsepower' at longer ranges and penetrate deeper. While the 308W is widely available in the retail stream, most of it is TOTALLY WRONG and INAPPROPRIATE for use in a hunting context so, I would suggest 30-06, 280 Rem, etc. in terms of factory hunting ammunition is not a significant handicap. In fact, something like my 6.5x55 "Swede" is hard to find at my local Walmart or hunting store but, I am also probably the only one in the county that will pay $40~$60 a box for a hunting load so, I could generally buy enough ammo for reasonable hunting adventures even in the depths of the ammunition shortage. Please pardon the mini-novel length of this post![/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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