Need some help from quickload for 460 Weatherby

[backyardsniper]

Could somebody out there with quickload give me the rundown on using RL 16 or possibly CFE223 in a 460 weatherby. RL 16 is in the H4350 burn rate but I was curious if it would be comparable. I have a bunch of it.

 

[mike06]

I started using GRT a few months ago and really like it and it is free. Many at 6mmbr like it better than quickLoad.

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[just_jon]

Bullet? Barrel length?

 

[backyardsniper]

500 swift A frame and it's a 26" but I'm having the Magna port cut off so it will be 23"

 

[just_jon]

Here you go. As always, proceed at your own risk.

 

[Mikecr]

You should buy the software. Support the innovator.

 

[mike06]

Cartridge : .460 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .458, 500, Nosler PART PP 44745
Useable Case Capaci: 115.859 grain H2O = 7.523 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.750 inch = 95.25 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62590 psi, or 431 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

106 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 100.0 112.0 7.26 2619 100.0 62590 8064 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 105.0 119.5 7.74 2601 99.8 59957 8822 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 99.0 110.9 7.19 2601 100.0 62590 8013 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 99.0 110.9 7.19 2601 100.0 62590 8013 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 102.6 114.9 7.44 2582 100.0 62590 8086 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 104.6 115.4 7.48 2581 99.9 62590 8352 1.300 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 100.5 114.3 7.41 2578 100.0 62590 8285 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 103.8 114.5 7.42 2577 100.0 62590 8273 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 98.0 110.7 7.17 2569 99.8 62590 8255 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 98.0 110.7 7.17 2569 99.8 62590 8255 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 105.0 120.6 7.81 2565 100.0 52534 8984 1.376
Alliant Reloder-16 105.0 109.2 7.08 2559 100.0 60779 7849 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 100.3 109.4 7.09 2555 100.0 62590 7994 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 103.3 109.1 7.07 2553 100.0 62590 7867 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 103.3 109.1 7.07 2553 100.0 62590 7865 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 102.6 109.5 7.10 2551 100.0 62590 7817 1.327 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 102.6 113.1 7.33 2549 98.8 62590 8288 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 105.0 111.5 7.23 2548 100.0 60168 7595 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 96.4 106.3 6.89 2530 100.0 62590 7556 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 103.4 112.2 7.27 2530 99.6 62590 7980 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 105.0 112.1 7.27 2527 98.6 60739 8237 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 112.1 7.27 2527 98.6 60739 8237 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 93.3 106.2 6.88 2524 100.0 62590 7460 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 105.0 117.0 7.58 2522 98.9 52107 8939 1.388
Hodgdon CFE223 88.1 104.8 6.79 2522 100.0 62590 7449 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 93.9 103.5 6.71 2520 100.0 62590 7336 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 92.9 99.2 6.43 2514 100.0 62590 7447 1.327 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 102.6 108.3 7.02 2513 99.8 62590 7821 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.0 111.5 7.23 2511 98.3 57773 8324 1.338 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 103.3 109.8 7.11 2510 99.5 62590 7784 1.314 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 93.7 100.1 6.48 2508 100.0 62590 7420 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 93.7 100.1 6.48 2508 100.0 62590 7420 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 93.7 100.1 6.48 2508 100.0 62590 7420 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 95.0 103.7 6.72 2506 100.0 62590 7560 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 94.1 100.5 6.52 2505 100.0 62590 7368 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 105.0 109.7 7.11 2504 99.4 62056 7788 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 88.6 103.2 6.69 2500 100.0 62590 7298 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 91.6 104.3 6.76 2499 100.0 62590 7480 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 95.5 103.2 6.68 2498 100.0 62590 7267 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 95.5 103.2 6.68 2498 100.0 62590 7267 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 96.9 104.4 6.77 2498 99.8 62590 7550 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 112.1 7.27 2497 98.3 56279 8353 1.358 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 89.0 101.5 6.58 2493 100.0 62590 7271 1.325 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50 94.9 105.4 6.83 2493 99.9 62590 7561 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 97.7 103.2 6.69 2493 100.0 62590 7188 1.341 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 105.0 108.5 7.03 2492 100.0 60553 7172 1.332 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 105.0 118.2 7.66 2491 98.4 59176 8021 1.335 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 94.6 104.3 6.76 2490 100.0 62590 7348 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 95.7 100.5 6.51 2490 100.0 62590 7150 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 101.2 105.8 6.85 2490 100.0 62590 7506 1.333 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron 98.6 104.0 6.74 2489 99.7 62590 7625 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 97.7 102.1 6.62 2488 100.0 62590 7213 1.336 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 99.9 104.7 6.78 2487 99.5 62590 7669 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 99.9 104.7 6.78 2487 99.5 62590 7669 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 96.7 104.8 6.79 2487 99.5 62590 7664 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 90.7 96.9 6.28 2487 100.0 62590 7222 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 90.3 96.5 6.25 2486 100.0 62590 7177 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 86.1 98.9 6.41 2485 100.0 62590 6989 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 115.2 7.46 2485 96.3 53009 8656 1.379
SNPE Vectan SP 9 91.4 100.8 6.53 2484 100.0 62590 7195 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 89.0 102.5 6.64 2482 100.0 62590 7418 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 105.0 119.5 7.74 2481 97.0 61794 7881 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 105.0 110.6 7.16 2480 97.6 59615 7951 1.338 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 89.7 102.8 6.66 2479 100.0 62590 7271 1.335 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 98.6 104.6 6.78 2479 100.0 62590 7347 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 96.4 99.6 6.45 2475 100.0 62590 7184 1.322 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 96.1 99.6 6.45 2475 100.0 62590 7184 1.322 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 112.1 7.27 2474 98.0 54966 8247 1.373
Somchem S341 89.7 103.1 6.68 2470 100.0 62590 6993 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 88.0 98.1 6.36 2468 100.0 62590 6976 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 107.4 6.96 2466 100.0 56384 7586 1.382 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 86.4 99.2 6.43 2466 100.0 62590 7008 1.337 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 97.0 97.8 6.34 2464 100.0 62590 7002 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 114.6 7.42 2464 95.3 49906 8846 1.419
IMR 4166 Enduron 97.6 99.8 6.47 2461 99.7 62590 7335 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 88.5 99.6 6.46 2461 100.0 62590 6783 1.349 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 90.5 99.6 6.46 2461 100.0 62590 6783 1.349 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 94.7 98.4 6.37 2460 100.0 62590 6900 1.342 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 105.0 113.4 7.35 2460 98.8 55548 7979 1.388
Accurate 4064 95.1 99.4 6.44 2456 100.0 62590 6774 1.366 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 87.2 93.7 6.07 2456 100.0 62590 6873 1.333 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 93.0 92.8 6.02 2454 100.0 62590 6608 1.340 ! Near Maximum !

 

[backyardsniper]

So if I'm reading that right it shows. 105% case fill with 109.2gr of RL 16 which is the max charge and it is producing 2559fps and 60,000 psi. So all i should have to do is drop that load down and start working back up. Probably starting in the 105gr of powder ballpark?

 

[mike06]

So if I'm reading that right it shows. 105% case fill with 109.2gr of RL 16 which is the max charge and it is producing 2559fps and 60,000 psi. So all i should have to do is drop that load down and start working back up. Probably starting in the 105gr of powder ballpark?

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[Mhardigree]

Could somebody out there with quickload give me the rundown on using RL 16 or possibly CFE223 in a 460 weatherby. RL 16 is in the H4350 burn rate but I was curious if it would be comparable. I have a bunch of it.

Hello
I've got 22 rounds of factory Weatherby 460 ammo, if you're interested, let me know. Mike

 

[backyardsniper]

Yeah shoot me a PM and let me know what you want for it. I may be interested.

 

[can1010]

people need to stop posting half baked quickload predictions based on generic settings before somebody ends up eating a bolt sandwich.

quickload is not a loading book it needs to be calibrated

I would not be putting my well being in the hands of a generic prediction

 

[Veteran]

The REALLY BIG issue with Quickload is what brass you are using and how it fireforms in your particular rifle!

My fired Lapua Brass for .338 Lapua Mag. measures about 116.1 volume for water. But Hornady Brass was only 107!!!!!!
B

I have found Lapua is always in the 115-116 range. PPU is 114 or so, but Hornady is really small, at 107.

Do you realize the difference that can make on predicted and actual pressure and velocity? It is tremendously volatile and variable unless you measure everything you are doing for your own specific case........no pun intended.....

That brass case is the volume in which the explosion takes place, and when you reduce the case size from 116 to 107, the pressure from the explosion doesn't vary just linearly by that 8-10% case volume difference, it varies exponentially in a non-linear fashion, and you could get not 8-10% more pressure, (which may still may blow you up) but say 15-25% which sure as heck will blow you up if you thought you were shooting a load with 55,000 modeled psi, and instead its 69,000 psi or more.

Not only does the brass volume vary all over the map, but I have found that from lot to lot powder can vary in its actual burn rate by 10-20% vs. the advertised burn rates. So, if you couple a small volume case of brass with an out of whack high burn rate lot of
powder, you can lose some fingers........

Brass Volume is absolutely the whole key to using Quick Load intelligently and safely. Just my opinion.... Powder Lot burn rates and temperature will be right in there as second and third issue. Bullet seating depth can also make some difference on the margin, and may be the final last straw if everything else is on the edge. Boom!

 

[Veteran]

BOY WAS I SURPRISED WHEN I MEASURED THAT BRASS AND FOUND OUT IT WAS SO DIFFERENT! Hey, isn't all brass for specific caliber supposed to be the same????

It would be like loading a .300 Win Mag with a .338 Lapua Load, almost anyway. My .300 win mag brass which is Peterson is about 91.3 volume, not quite 107 but you get the picture.....