Mine has a minimum sammi chamber and I can reach the lands at 3.90 col, RE-25 shot ok but could not get the speed I was looking for. US869 at 115 grains runs 3000 from a 34 inch barrel and no pressure signs. I did try WC872 and was at 115 grains also but speed was less then the US869 and I needed a summer and winter load with the difference being 2 grains.