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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 182472" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>Kaveman & Outdoor</p><p></p><p>I was not trying to be vague but as I said archery was very basic</p><p>in the 60's and 70's so I will try to fill in the blanks.</p><p></p><p>At the time I was shooting a Jennings arrow Star ( A 4 wheel bow with</p><p>20% letoff).</p><p></p><p>Arrows were wood,alluminum and fiber glass.</p><p></p><p>Fletched with plastic vanes and feathers.</p><p></p><p>All test were under hunting conditions (Hand held, hand drawn,broad heads,</p><p>no release,peep site & 6 pin site.</p><p></p><p>I rig'ed up a tennis ball and hung it from a tree so I could shoot close</p><p>to 45 degrees and I could use my 10yrd pin to miss the ball but have</p><p>a constant aiming point.</p><p></p><p>There were no cronographs at the time but advertised velocity was </p><p>244 ft/sec with a 2216 ,But as I said the only way I had to prove</p><p>or disprove anything at the time was to flight test.</p><p></p><p>Most bows were maxed out at 70 to 75 lbs back then and after shooting</p><p>for fred bear about 3 years I had them biuld me a 100 lb bow called</p><p>an elephant bow ( It still had wheels ) but 30% let off.</p><p></p><p>These bows were all strait limb with 2 or 4 wheels and 49" axle to axle</p><p>length.</p><p></p><p>Like ever one else as soon as a new bow came out I had to try one and</p><p>even though bows and arrows improved the rules seemed to remain the </p><p>same .</p><p></p><p>My frends and I shot an average of 400 to 500 arrows a day and groups </p><p>were smaller than those mentioned in the earlier post (these were worst</p><p>case for hunting live game.</p><p></p><p>There is no question that the new equiptment is better in the hands</p><p>of a good bowhunter but the downside to all this speed and flat shooting</p><p>is that it encourages some of the new shooters to shoot a few arrows and</p><p>go hunting.</p><p></p><p>This sport requires lot's of practice and conditioning just like long range</p><p>shooting and the right combination of arrow and broadhead for clean </p><p>one shot kills.</p><p></p><p>And as for as the energy a 22 long rifle has 312ft/lbs 3 times that of</p><p>your arrow at 104 ft/lbs and is very capable on large dangerous game</p><p>but you would not go after a elk with a 22 . and the reason the bow is</p><p>effecitve is momentum .</p><p></p><p>That is why I prefer heavy arrows, with broadheads no larger than 1 3/8</p><p>dia.</p><p></p><p> "Case in point" If you hunt in africa most countrys require arrows that </p><p>weight a minimum of 1000grs and the bow must be at least 100lbs draw</p><p>weight.</p><p></p><p>I am very proud of my loss rate( only one mule deer and one white tail</p><p>out of almost 200 big game killed) so I will continue to use heavy arrows</p><p>and as much weight as possible with good accurace.</p><p></p><p>Just like in long range shooting I prefer heavy bullets on long shots over </p><p>lite fast bullets.</p><p></p><p>I have been shooting bows over 45 years and started with a recurve and </p><p>saw the first compound bow ( an allen compound ) and though it was ugly</p><p>at the time .</p><p></p><p>I hope this helped </p><p>J E CUSTOM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 182472, member: 2736"] Kaveman & Outdoor I was not trying to be vague but as I said archery was very basic in the 60's and 70's so I will try to fill in the blanks. At the time I was shooting a Jennings arrow Star ( A 4 wheel bow with 20% letoff). Arrows were wood,alluminum and fiber glass. Fletched with plastic vanes and feathers. All test were under hunting conditions (Hand held, hand drawn,broad heads, no release,peep site & 6 pin site. I rig'ed up a tennis ball and hung it from a tree so I could shoot close to 45 degrees and I could use my 10yrd pin to miss the ball but have a constant aiming point. There were no cronographs at the time but advertised velocity was 244 ft/sec with a 2216 ,But as I said the only way I had to prove or disprove anything at the time was to flight test. Most bows were maxed out at 70 to 75 lbs back then and after shooting for fred bear about 3 years I had them biuld me a 100 lb bow called an elephant bow ( It still had wheels ) but 30% let off. These bows were all strait limb with 2 or 4 wheels and 49" axle to axle length. Like ever one else as soon as a new bow came out I had to try one and even though bows and arrows improved the rules seemed to remain the same . My frends and I shot an average of 400 to 500 arrows a day and groups were smaller than those mentioned in the earlier post (these were worst case for hunting live game. There is no question that the new equiptment is better in the hands of a good bowhunter but the downside to all this speed and flat shooting is that it encourages some of the new shooters to shoot a few arrows and go hunting. This sport requires lot's of practice and conditioning just like long range shooting and the right combination of arrow and broadhead for clean one shot kills. And as for as the energy a 22 long rifle has 312ft/lbs 3 times that of your arrow at 104 ft/lbs and is very capable on large dangerous game but you would not go after a elk with a 22 . and the reason the bow is effecitve is momentum . That is why I prefer heavy arrows, with broadheads no larger than 1 3/8 dia. "Case in point" If you hunt in africa most countrys require arrows that weight a minimum of 1000grs and the bow must be at least 100lbs draw weight. I am very proud of my loss rate( only one mule deer and one white tail out of almost 200 big game killed) so I will continue to use heavy arrows and as much weight as possible with good accurace. Just like in long range shooting I prefer heavy bullets on long shots over lite fast bullets. I have been shooting bows over 45 years and started with a recurve and saw the first compound bow ( an allen compound ) and though it was ugly at the time . I hope this helped J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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