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<blockquote data-quote="Alibiiv" data-source="post: 1527697" data-attributes="member: 69192"><p>Hello GuyM, thanks for sharing your hunting experiences with your son. In another thread where there is discussion about the 130 grain bullet failure of the 6.5 Creedmore on an elk, I posted the following reply to one of the posts that was arguing about how effective the 6.5 Creedmore is/ought to be when taking an elk. Here's the reply:</p><p>Thank you JemezDave, of all the posts that I have read on this subject this makes the most sense of them all. <em>"It's bullet construction, range, energy, conditions, shooter ability, shot placement, ability to make a follow up shot quickly, caliber-<strong>it all matters</strong>".</em> Before commenting any further I would like to say that <em>I am not an elk hunter</em>, have never shot an elk, however would if the opportunity ever presented itself. I just do not want to be criticized for not being an elk hunter and making a comment on how to shoot an elk. I will also admit the farthest shot that I have ever made on a game animal was a small buck at 450 yards with a .270 Winchester with 130 grain Nosler partition bullet. The deer dropped right in its tracks, and I "<em>thought</em>" that it was down, but it got up and ran. I couldn't get back on the deer to take a follow up shot because of the distance. We tracked the deer for two days before we lost the trail in a cedar swamp. I wouldn't take that shot today. I can however say that I have shot caribou, countless white tail deer and a number of black bear; and, have witnessed where a large number of black bear have been harvested by other hunters in outfitter camps. The larger the caliber and the heavier the bullet meant the less work for the guides. When we talk about shooting an animal that is being hunted and shot we don't have to be talking elk, what JemezDave has written in his post is applicable to <strong><em>"ALL"</em></strong> game that we hunt, <em>no matter what the species</em>!! Many of us are shooting at game that is going to run away from us and not at us. If you have read any of the threads and posts where people are grizzly hunting, the hunters are not worried about the animal getting up and running away from them, the are worried about the animal running at them and tearing them apart. They're asking, "<em>Is my bullet heavy enough</em>", "<em>is the caliber of my rifle large enough for the bear that I am hunting</em>", "<em>is the construction of my bullet going to work on the bear?</em>" They would be nuts to be concerned about anything else!! It's a hunting double standard when we make the statement that its enough caliber, it will take the animal down and the bullet possesses enough damage and does devastating damage with pass throughs when we are hunting something that is going to run away from us<em>; however,</em> when something is going to come at us/the hunter, and do us some serious bodily injury or death (dangerous game), now what we are seriously concerned about turns to insuring terminal ballistics on the game that is being hunted and it is even suggested that the hunter carries a large handgun that is readily available at all times as back up in case what we have chosen to hunt with is inadequate!! Good job JemezDave your post really sums it up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alibiiv, post: 1527697, member: 69192"] Hello GuyM, thanks for sharing your hunting experiences with your son. In another thread where there is discussion about the 130 grain bullet failure of the 6.5 Creedmore on an elk, I posted the following reply to one of the posts that was arguing about how effective the 6.5 Creedmore is/ought to be when taking an elk. Here's the reply: Thank you JemezDave, of all the posts that I have read on this subject this makes the most sense of them all. [I]"It's bullet construction, range, energy, conditions, shooter ability, shot placement, ability to make a follow up shot quickly, caliber-[B]it all matters[/B]".[/I] Before commenting any further I would like to say that [I]I am not an elk hunter[/I], have never shot an elk, however would if the opportunity ever presented itself. I just do not want to be criticized for not being an elk hunter and making a comment on how to shoot an elk. I will also admit the farthest shot that I have ever made on a game animal was a small buck at 450 yards with a .270 Winchester with 130 grain Nosler partition bullet. The deer dropped right in its tracks, and I "[I]thought[/I]" that it was down, but it got up and ran. I couldn't get back on the deer to take a follow up shot because of the distance. We tracked the deer for two days before we lost the trail in a cedar swamp. I wouldn't take that shot today. I can however say that I have shot caribou, countless white tail deer and a number of black bear; and, have witnessed where a large number of black bear have been harvested by other hunters in outfitter camps. The larger the caliber and the heavier the bullet meant the less work for the guides. When we talk about shooting an animal that is being hunted and shot we don't have to be talking elk, what JemezDave has written in his post is applicable to [B][I]"ALL"[/I][/B] game that we hunt, [I]no matter what the species[/I]!! Many of us are shooting at game that is going to run away from us and not at us. If you have read any of the threads and posts where people are grizzly hunting, the hunters are not worried about the animal getting up and running away from them, the are worried about the animal running at them and tearing them apart. They're asking, "[I]Is my bullet heavy enough[/I]", "[I]is the caliber of my rifle large enough for the bear that I am hunting[/I]", "[I]is the construction of my bullet going to work on the bear?[/I]" They would be nuts to be concerned about anything else!! It's a hunting double standard when we make the statement that its enough caliber, it will take the animal down and the bullet possesses enough damage and does devastating damage with pass throughs when we are hunting something that is going to run away from us[I]; however,[/I] when something is going to come at us/the hunter, and do us some serious bodily injury or death (dangerous game), now what we are seriously concerned about turns to insuring terminal ballistics on the game that is being hunted and it is even suggested that the hunter carries a large handgun that is readily available at all times as back up in case what we have chosen to hunt with is inadequate!! Good job JemezDave your post really sums it up. [/QUOTE]
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