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<blockquote data-quote="Playtimefun" data-source="post: 3074532" data-attributes="member: 103742"><p>The one thing I find rather funny is about being able to see where your shot hits through the scope. I will argue that it is not about the weight of the gun but more so about the stock design combined with a few other parameters. I'll give a few examples... you can watch the bullets hit (cross hairs are about 4-6" off MAX where the bullet impacts) in my Browning Mtn Ti in 7 WSM. The scoped gun weighs 6 lbs 13 ounces (3097 grams because I have an old scale from work). My Remington 700 in 300 WM. You can watch the bullet impact within inches of the cross-hairs, but it's fairly heavy.</p><p></p><p>For those of you who have shot a Savage 99 in 308... I betcha very very very very very very few have ever been able to watch a bullet impact on the scope. A friends 99 in 308 would rise 14-16" until he got it Mag-na-ported and even then you couldn't watch the bullet impact. </p><p></p><p>I cant speak to specifics but I firmly believe the fit of the stock combined with where the barrel recoil forces are positioned versus weight is the key. But don't get me wrong... shoot a 10 lb 243 and you should see the bullet hit!!! Technique is of course a part of it. A friend shots his 416 Rigby in a ruger no 1 with max loads like he's shooting a 22. He just let's his body naturally rock with the recoil. and he's accurate as hell. But I can't do that. </p><p></p><p>The trouble is... unless you have access to stocks galore etc. You will never "plan out" a gun that allows you to see the bullets hit. You will fluke it much more than plan it.</p><p></p><p>As for brakes... I am the wrong person to ask. I take them off or don't put them on if they come with a gun. I shoot my 30-378 without a brake. I have a custom made 257 Wby (model 70 with a 26 inch barrel) but the previous owner had 6 parts cut into end of the barrel and I hate it!!! I'm looking at cutting the end of it off.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Playtimefun, post: 3074532, member: 103742"] The one thing I find rather funny is about being able to see where your shot hits through the scope. I will argue that it is not about the weight of the gun but more so about the stock design combined with a few other parameters. I'll give a few examples... you can watch the bullets hit (cross hairs are about 4-6" off MAX where the bullet impacts) in my Browning Mtn Ti in 7 WSM. The scoped gun weighs 6 lbs 13 ounces (3097 grams because I have an old scale from work). My Remington 700 in 300 WM. You can watch the bullet impact within inches of the cross-hairs, but it's fairly heavy. For those of you who have shot a Savage 99 in 308... I betcha very very very very very very few have ever been able to watch a bullet impact on the scope. A friends 99 in 308 would rise 14-16" until he got it Mag-na-ported and even then you couldn't watch the bullet impact. I cant speak to specifics but I firmly believe the fit of the stock combined with where the barrel recoil forces are positioned versus weight is the key. But don't get me wrong... shoot a 10 lb 243 and you should see the bullet hit!!! Technique is of course a part of it. A friend shots his 416 Rigby in a ruger no 1 with max loads like he's shooting a 22. He just let's his body naturally rock with the recoil. and he's accurate as hell. But I can't do that. The trouble is... unless you have access to stocks galore etc. You will never "plan out" a gun that allows you to see the bullets hit. You will fluke it much more than plan it. As for brakes... I am the wrong person to ask. I take them off or don't put them on if they come with a gun. I shoot my 30-378 without a brake. I have a custom made 257 Wby (model 70 with a 26 inch barrel) but the previous owner had 6 parts cut into end of the barrel and I hate it!!! I'm looking at cutting the end of it off. [/QUOTE]
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