I ordered these since Berger is not capable to meet the demands of their customers. I hex coated them and shot them out of my 28 Broughton barrel with RL33 and H1000. H1000 the best group and RL33 blazing speeds. 3050 and 3175. Accuracy was a little better than the LRAB 175. Shot into ballistic gel penetration was unstoppable due to they did not open. I retested by trimming back very little. .010. And the ballistic gel looked lie a grenade went off in it. Penetrated 28 inches. The LRAB penetrated 32 inches but did not destroy the gel as bad. I know everyone on this forum loves the Berger. I am thinking of switching if the lot I just have the nearly non existent hollow point.