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<blockquote data-quote="FAL Shot" data-source="post: 443141" data-attributes="member: 27328"><p>Gary,</p><p> </p><p>The Eun Jin 44 grain pellets look interesting. Problem is, my Lonestar will have to be tuned for higher power to get those up to hunting speed. If I did that, then accuracy would suffer with the Baracuda and Exact King pellets. I'm shoving the Exact King pellets at the upper limit of accuracy as it it. 20 grain FTT pellets sound like a .22 rimfire as they are transsonic at 50 fpe setting.</p><p> </p><p>I haven't messed with the factory set power setting, as they seem to have maxed it out for Baracuda and Exact Kings and still maintain max accuracy.</p><p> </p><p>Crow Magnums have horrible accuracy past 50 yards. They are strictly for soft bodied varmints at close range where you try to avoid pass through. Ram Points were even worse. The lighter Beeman Silver Bear hollowpoint is the only thing other than the Baracuda and EK that has any accuracy, and then only to 50 yards because of the horrible BC of hollowpoint pellets. </p><p> </p><p>A soft .25 cal pure lead pistol bullet with driving bands would be a good thing to try in the Lonestar. Haven't found any locally, or I would have tried it already. Big bore airgunners typically use blackpowder and pistol bullets, so should work in the Lonestar as well.</p><p> </p><p>BTW, you should ALWAYS lightly lube pellets used in the Lonestar. It will prevent excess leading and barrel rust. PCP's leave moisture in the barrel, so ALWAYS pull an oiled patch through at the end of each shooting day, and NEVER leave your silencer attached if you use one. I use M-Pro 7 oil for both purposes, and it is safe for airgun seals per the company website. Hoppe's Elite oil is the same exact stuff. The expensive English Napier Power Pro oil is not a bit better. The Lonestar shoots some pellets fast enough that leading can be a problem if not lubed. Just NEVER let any oil get in the air reservoir, as it can detonate there at the very high pressure the Lonestar charges to. Detonation has never happened in my barrel. M-Pro 7 is synthetic and can withstand over 500 degrees Fahrenheit. It's also the slickest gun oil I have ever used, and only oil that I use on firearms. Has superior anti-rust properties on exterior blued surfaces. None of my rifles suffer rust problems from sweaty acids from handling or from rain and condensation.</p><p> </p><p>An oiled barrel bore will shoot low for the first couple of pellets. I blow out the excess oil with a couple of shots, or you can pull a few clean patches through before hunting. Some English users never clean their PCP rifle bores when using oiled pellets as long as leading does not lead to decreased accuracy. That seems OK as long as you are using your rifle almost daily. I oil my bore when setting my rifle up for several days, per the BSA manual.</p><p> </p><p>Oiled pellets seem to lead to a low consistent level of leading. M-Pro 7 is so slick that lead can't get permanently attached and any excess leading seems to get shot out. Can shoot hundreds of pellets in a day with no loss in accuracy.</p><p> </p><p>Phil</p><p> </p><p>WARNING: This info does NOT apply to Springer air rifles. You live in your own world....stuck in time like a scene from The Twilight Zone.....and I don't go there anymore. Time for air rifles to move FORWARD....and PCP rifles will lead the way just as they did 200+ years ago. The original air rifle and still the best. Springers are a bad chapter in the history of air rifles. More like......"I'm too cheap to buy a good air rifle pump so I don't want a PCP rifle, I'm even too cheap to buy a Benjamin or Sheridan multi-pump rifle with the pump built in where I get the whole rifle and pump for less than what what a high pressure pump should cost. What cheap rifle can I buy at the local hardware store for next to nothing that will kill a sparrow at 30 yards? That I can let the kids play with without killing the cat? That can shoot a puny .177 cal pellet that weighs next to nothing at 1200+ fps that is inaccurate and makes a ballistic crack for a few yards that makes people think its "da bomb"? It has to cost less than $100 and the pellets should cost 2 cents for the expensive stuff". </p><p> </p><p>Well, that kind of thinking is why 99+% of air rifles are crap, and air rifles have moved backwards since the Lewis and Clark Expedition where the air rifle was the most important rifle.</p><p> </p><p>Also, nitrogen will probably take the place of air in high power PCP rifles in order to eliminate detonation and oxidation as it is inert. It is widely available at high pressure at low cost, and recent SCBA graphite pressure vessels (ask your local fireman) give a very lightweight gas storage device at relatively affordable cost. PCP, nitrogen and graphite pressure vessels are the future in pneumatic rifles. Not available at your local department store for $99, sorry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FAL Shot, post: 443141, member: 27328"] Gary, The Eun Jin 44 grain pellets look interesting. Problem is, my Lonestar will have to be tuned for higher power to get those up to hunting speed. If I did that, then accuracy would suffer with the Baracuda and Exact King pellets. I'm shoving the Exact King pellets at the upper limit of accuracy as it it. 20 grain FTT pellets sound like a .22 rimfire as they are transsonic at 50 fpe setting. I haven't messed with the factory set power setting, as they seem to have maxed it out for Baracuda and Exact Kings and still maintain max accuracy. Crow Magnums have horrible accuracy past 50 yards. They are strictly for soft bodied varmints at close range where you try to avoid pass through. Ram Points were even worse. The lighter Beeman Silver Bear hollowpoint is the only thing other than the Baracuda and EK that has any accuracy, and then only to 50 yards because of the horrible BC of hollowpoint pellets. A soft .25 cal pure lead pistol bullet with driving bands would be a good thing to try in the Lonestar. Haven't found any locally, or I would have tried it already. Big bore airgunners typically use blackpowder and pistol bullets, so should work in the Lonestar as well. BTW, you should ALWAYS lightly lube pellets used in the Lonestar. It will prevent excess leading and barrel rust. PCP's leave moisture in the barrel, so ALWAYS pull an oiled patch through at the end of each shooting day, and NEVER leave your silencer attached if you use one. I use M-Pro 7 oil for both purposes, and it is safe for airgun seals per the company website. Hoppe's Elite oil is the same exact stuff. The expensive English Napier Power Pro oil is not a bit better. The Lonestar shoots some pellets fast enough that leading can be a problem if not lubed. Just NEVER let any oil get in the air reservoir, as it can detonate there at the very high pressure the Lonestar charges to. Detonation has never happened in my barrel. M-Pro 7 is synthetic and can withstand over 500 degrees Fahrenheit. It's also the slickest gun oil I have ever used, and only oil that I use on firearms. Has superior anti-rust properties on exterior blued surfaces. None of my rifles suffer rust problems from sweaty acids from handling or from rain and condensation. An oiled barrel bore will shoot low for the first couple of pellets. I blow out the excess oil with a couple of shots, or you can pull a few clean patches through before hunting. Some English users never clean their PCP rifle bores when using oiled pellets as long as leading does not lead to decreased accuracy. That seems OK as long as you are using your rifle almost daily. I oil my bore when setting my rifle up for several days, per the BSA manual. Oiled pellets seem to lead to a low consistent level of leading. M-Pro 7 is so slick that lead can't get permanently attached and any excess leading seems to get shot out. Can shoot hundreds of pellets in a day with no loss in accuracy. Phil WARNING: This info does NOT apply to Springer air rifles. You live in your own world....stuck in time like a scene from The Twilight Zone.....and I don't go there anymore. Time for air rifles to move FORWARD....and PCP rifles will lead the way just as they did 200+ years ago. The original air rifle and still the best. Springers are a bad chapter in the history of air rifles. More like......"I'm too cheap to buy a good air rifle pump so I don't want a PCP rifle, I'm even too cheap to buy a Benjamin or Sheridan multi-pump rifle with the pump built in where I get the whole rifle and pump for less than what what a high pressure pump should cost. What cheap rifle can I buy at the local hardware store for next to nothing that will kill a sparrow at 30 yards? That I can let the kids play with without killing the cat? That can shoot a puny .177 cal pellet that weighs next to nothing at 1200+ fps that is inaccurate and makes a ballistic crack for a few yards that makes people think its "da bomb"? It has to cost less than $100 and the pellets should cost 2 cents for the expensive stuff". Well, that kind of thinking is why 99+% of air rifles are crap, and air rifles have moved backwards since the Lewis and Clark Expedition where the air rifle was the most important rifle. Also, nitrogen will probably take the place of air in high power PCP rifles in order to eliminate detonation and oxidation as it is inert. It is widely available at high pressure at low cost, and recent SCBA graphite pressure vessels (ask your local fireman) give a very lightweight gas storage device at relatively affordable cost. PCP, nitrogen and graphite pressure vessels are the future in pneumatic rifles. Not available at your local department store for $99, sorry. [/QUOTE]
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