Issues I have with E bike deer hunting want your thoughts

[Small Lady]

This to me is a trail.
No Jeep is going to get down it.

 

[dfanonymous]

Are we not talking about single track, very rugged trails here?
No jeep is going up any single track, at least what I call single track. My horse barely fits down many of the trails, and its also narrow ledges, steep loose rock where I actually get off and walk so he doesn't have to also carry me on such difficult terrain. The sort of stuff a 2 wheel bike only can do, or hikers and horses. I also envision the bike rider having to carry the bike over obstacles.
Heck if it's such a major trail a jeep can drive down it, who built the road to begin with?

This is the point.

However you want to quantify where a Jeep can go, most Jeep trails use to look like that at one point in time. Welcome to what I'm talking about; "impact."

All because we wanted to start making an exceptions. Why should JUST e-bikes just be allowed? If walking and horses is no longer the only way in…then why not "let everyone enjoy the land" as you say.

Trust me a chainsaw, and some time, we can get a jeep through that.

"But but but chainsaws aren't allowed in wilderness without special permit"

Yeah well nor were battery dirt bikes, but here we are.

 

[Small Lady]

Also a trail.
I walked up it, and let Sam ( my horse ) follow me up.
I'm buying tickets to the show where a jeep goes up there.

I can see no reason to stop ebikes from using these trails.
It would allow more people to get out and enjoy nature.
Sure beats having them sitting around getting fat, using drugs, or something else stupid.
I encourage back country use, not stifling it.
I see ebikes out being ridden, they have not been destroying anything that I have ever seen.

And I love my horse, he is amazing.
But the reality is that he does more trail damage than an ebike does.
Sam also weighs probably 20 times what an ebike does, not to mention that he doesn't discriminate about where he pees and poops.

 

[Small Lady]

This is the point.

However you want to quantify where a Jeep can go, most Jeep trails use to look like that at one point in time. Welcome to what I'm talking about; "impact."

All because we wanted to start making an exceptions. Why should JUST e-bikes just be allowed? If walking and horses is no longer the only way in…then why not "let everyone enjoy the land" as you say.

Trust me a chainsaw, and some time, we can get a jeep through that.

"But but but chainsaws aren't allowed in wilderness without special permit"

Yeah well nor were battery dirt bikes, but here we are.

An ebike does it without falling trees, no winches on them, and are less destructive to the trail than horses are, and i will admit that despite being a horse lover.

I guess the complaints will just end up getting more land closed to everybody, even hikers.
People flying over it can enjoy the view from 25,000'.

 

[dfanonymous]

An ebike does it without falling trees, no winches on them, and are less destructive to the trail than horses are, and i will admit that despite being a horse lover.

It's the exception.
It's the fact that now we have now introduced motorized traffic and any city slicker with a few thousand in splurge money gets to go drive around on a battery dirt bike.

It's the fact that it opens it up to all the other people to complain and make there case about how "minimal"' the impact is. Next would be dirt bikes, then side by sides, etc.

This has nothing to do with horses. There are not that many people horsing around. Impact is not just the trail be rutted up. It's the amount of people literally pooping in the woods. The littering. The stupid people that get lost or injured outside country resources. The trail deviation from naturally fallen trees. New campsites made. I could go on.

That's without my personal feelings about being a hunter being x miles in with 40lbs on my back watching some geriatric whiz by on a ebike so we can road hunt wilderness lands.

 

[MtPockets]

An ebike does it without falling trees, no winches on them, and are less destructive to the trail than horses are, and i will admit that despite being a horse lover.

I guess the complaints will just end up getting more land closed to everybody, even hikers.
People flying over it can enjoy the view from 25,000'.

You never answered my question.

What about the folks who want to take pedal bikes and game carts? They are already not allowed, but ebikes should be?
Or maybe we should just let them all in, gas dirt bikes included?

As for where a Jeep can go, give an experienced and equipped Jeeper the green light (or just look the other way, like you are suggesting with ebikes) and they WILL get their Jeeps over your trails.

Turning in those who ignore the law is NOT going to get horses and hikers banned.

 

[thomasbangs]

If the trail or sign at the gate is marked no motorized vehicles that would mean no motorized vehicles, just because it's electric it is still motorized, that's my take on it. Some states are leaning that way also.

 

[bowhunter1287]

I think people just need to take the time to read and understand the laws before they do something even if you call the local office they will explain or tell you the laws for where your going.

 

[taylorms]

The ultimate solution... NO ENTRY

That's what all of this will lead to. Are y'all prepared to accept that rule?

 

[FullCurl8]

Well they're motorized I see them as a motorized vehicle so should be under same rules don't matter if it's electric or gas.

Horses are used to decrease ones physical exertion of getting into the back country.
E Bikes no different.

 

[MtPockets]

Horses are used to decrease ones physical exertion of getting into the back country.
E Bikes no different.

And 2 stroke dirt bikes, Jeeps and side by sides are also no different.

 

[MtPockets]

The ultimate solution... NO ENTRY

That's what all of this will lead to. Are y'all prepared to accept that rule?

I don't know how asking those on eBikes to follow the existing rules gets hikers and horses banned?
Maybe you can explain?

The rules of Wilderness areas- posted at the trailheads- clearly states that nothing with wheels is allowed including pedal bikes and game carts. If those are not allowed, then neither are eBikes.

 

[Small Lady]

It's the exception.
It's the fact that now we have now introduced motorized traffic and any city slicker with a few thousand in splurge money gets to go drive around on a battery dirt bike.

It's the fact that it opens it up to all the other people to complain and make there case about how "minimal"' the impact is. Next would be dirt bikes, then side by sides, etc.

This has nothing to do with horses. There are not that many people horsing around. Impact is not just the trail be rutted up. It's the amount of people literally pooping in the woods. The littering. The stupid people that get lost or injured outside country resources. The trail deviation from naturally fallen trees. New campsites made. I could go on.

That's without my personal feelings about being a hunter being x miles in with 40lbs on my back watching some geriatric whiz by on a ebike so we can road hunt wilderness lands.

I feel honored to have a horse, not privileged like royalty, who suddenly gets to do what others are not allowed to because I own a horse.
Guess I need to work on making my ego larger, and sense of entitlement.
Me have horse, out ofthe way peasant.
That isn't my style.
And the term geriatric, you throw that out there like its a crime to grow old. One of my favorite people is a man who is 84 years old. This man is a veteran, wealth of knowledge, kindness overflows from within him, and just so happens to own an ebike. Sometimes he comes out to visit us, and his grandson who works here. Bringing his ebike, and riding the trails. Our horses definitely do more damage than his bike does. It allows this wonderful man to still explore, because his days of hiking 40 kms per day are behind him. I invited him to come along a few months ago and follow me on a ride i was doing. It made my soul happy to see him out enjoying the bush, and he carried it over logs.
Guess what, we all grow older, maybe the new law shouldn't be banning bikes, but shooting everyone on their 60th birthday because they have outlived their usefulness, and becoming a burden on the young, especially the medical system.
What a sad world this has become!

 

[gpo1956]

Honest question. I don't have any experience with this subject. How many of you guys have personally run into others on e-bikes out in your hunting areas?